The Man Who Couldn't Cleco

"LP" wrote in message
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I'm willing to wager that you were never in the Navy. I know Bob was &
I have heard other Navy guys call them forceps. Different lingo in
different circles. Given theat the tool isn't used to ply anything,
forceps might even be a more accurate term. Sorry that the world
doesn't conform to your expectations.

Daniel

If someone at work ask to borrow my forceps, he or she would get a deer
in
the headlight look. However, third drawer down on the right is my CLECO
pliers. Oh yeah, 23 years in the NAVY.


That is interesting. The "Aircraft Tool Control Manual - Navy and Marine
Corps" states that the C-40A AF Sheet Metal Roll-Away Tool box 5120 contains
a "Forcepts, Sheet Metal, Holding, Cleco."

See: http://www.allendoc.com/pubs/17-1C40A-1.pdf page 138.

Guys, guys, cleco, forceps, tomato, tomotto

"Every ship [squadron] is different."
(7 years in the Navy)

Happy New Year

"Richard Riley" wrote in message
...
:That is interesting. The "Aircraft Tool Control Manual - Navy and Marine
:Corps" states that the C-40A AF Sheet Metal Roll-Away Tool box 5120
contains
:a "Forcepts, Sheet Metal, Holding, Cleco."
:
:See: http://www.allendoc.com/pubs/17-1C40A-1.pdf page 138.

snip
(And the Navy apparently spells it with a T)

Kelly forceps are also great for holding small things together while
epoxy hardens.

Richard "Landlubber" Riley
Zero years in the Navy

Richard the Navy doesn't spell it with a "T". It is just a matter of me not
being able to type.

Thank you Jim...and LP.

There are those of us that work in the "Real World" to keep'em flyin...and
those that wanna "Go by the book".
(forceps,sheetmetal holding, secured clamp, cleco, 1 each per tool
container, mobile,7 drawer, four wheels, one handle...and
Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah....

I wish the book guy's would get outta'tha' way...they're slowin the rest of
us down.

Dave...one of the 10% and damn proud of it.
NARFJAX (now NADEP) WG-10 "Tinbender" P-3, S-2, S-3, T-2, A-7, F/A-18
line.
How long???...Too long.


"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
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Guys, guys, cleco, forceps, tomato, tomotto

"Every ship [squadron] is different."
(7 years in the Navy)

Happy New Year

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:10:43 GMT, "LP"
wrote:

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D.Reid wrote:
"Forceps"???...what the hell are "FORCEPS"???
I been in the "trade" for 30 years and I never heard of nuttin called
forceps!!!...that had anything to do with cleco's...


I'm willing to wager that you were never in the Navy. I know Bob was &
I have heard other Navy guys call them forceps. Different lingo in
different circles. Given theat the tool isn't used to ply anything,
forceps might even be a more accurate term. Sorry that the world
doesn't conform to your expectations.

Daniel

If someone at work ask to borrow my forceps, he or she would get a deer in
the headlight look. However, third drawer down on the right is my CLECO
pliers. Oh yeah, 23 years in the NAVY.

I've worked with and around electronics most of my life and computers
since they came on the scene. If you ask for my forceps that is
exactly what is in the second drawer down in the smaller tool box,
right along with a bunch of dentists tools. I think there are probably
a couple of scalpels in there too.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:23:18 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:34:11 -0700, "Wayne Paul"
wrote:

:
:"LP" wrote in message
nk.net...
: wrote in message
: oups.com...
:
: I'm willing to wager that you were never in the Navy. I know Bob was &
: I have heard other Navy guys call them forceps. Different lingo in
: different circles. Given theat the tool isn't used to ply anything,
: forceps might even be a more accurate term. Sorry that the world
: doesn't conform to your expectations.
:
: Daniel
:
: If someone at work ask to borrow my forceps, he or she would get a deer
:in
: the headlight look. However, third drawer down on the right is my CLECO
: pliers. Oh yeah, 23 years in the NAVY.
:
:
:That is interesting. The "Aircraft Tool Control Manual - Navy and Marine
:Corps" states that the C-40A AF Sheet Metal Roll-Away Tool box 5120 contains
:a "Forcepts, Sheet Metal, Holding, Cleco."
:
:See: http://www.allendoc.com/pubs/17-1C40A-1.pdf page 138.

Very strange. I use forceps to temporarily clamp 2 sheets of sheet
aluminum together all the time - before they are drilled or clecoed.
Specifically, 5" straight or curved Kelly forceps. I'd never heard of
cleco pliers being cals that. (And the Navy apparently spells it with
a T)

Kelly forceps are also great for holding small things together while
epoxy hardens.

I thought that was what fingers were for, at least when using the fast
setting variety (or super glue)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Richard "Landlubber" Riley
Zero years in the Navy

Roger wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:10:43 GMT, "LP"
wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...

D.Reid wrote:

"Forceps"???...what the hell are "FORCEPS"???
I been in the "trade" for 30 years and I never heard of nuttin called
forceps!!!...that had anything to do with cleco's...


I'm willing to wager that you were never in the Navy. I know Bob was &
I have heard other Navy guys call them forceps. Different lingo in
different circles. Given theat the tool isn't used to ply anything,
forceps might even be a more accurate term. Sorry that the world
doesn't conform to your expectations.

Daniel


If someone at work ask to borrow my forceps, he or she would get a deer in
the headlight look. However, third drawer down on the right is my CLECO
pliers. Oh yeah, 23 years in the NAVY.


I've worked with and around electronics most of my life and computers
since they came on the scene. If you ask for my forceps that is
exactly what is in the second drawer down in the smaller tool box,
right along with a bunch of dentists tools. I think there are probably
a couple of scalpels in there too.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


They make terrific heat sinks.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"D.Reid" wrote in message
...
Thank you Jim...and LP.

There are those of us that work in the "Real World" to keep'em flyin...and
those that wanna "Go by the book".
(forceps,sheetmetal holding, secured clamp, cleco, 1 each per tool
container, mobile,7 drawer, four wheels, one handle...and
Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah....

I wish the book guy's would get outta'tha' way...they're slowin the rest
of
us down.

Dave...one of the 10% and damn proud of it.
NARFJAX (now NADEP) WG-10 "Tinbender" P-3, S-2, S-3, T-2, A-7, F/A-18
line.
How long???...Too long.


"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
. ..
Guys, guys, cleco, forceps, tomato, tomotto

"Every ship [squadron] is different."
(7 years in the Navy)

Happy New Year


While putting iron in the air is all of our goals, I can appreciate Wayne
being able to quote the C-40 Tool pub as his reference. Working at a
civilian helicopter completions center, I know that when the FAA shows up
and asks what adhesive you are using when installing a doubler, you better
be able to show him/her the information in the appropriate Structural Repair
Manual you referenced when doing that modification.

"LP" wrote in message
k.net...

"D.Reid" wrote in message
...
Thank you Jim...and LP.

There are those of us that work in the "Real World" to keep'em
flyin...and
those that wanna "Go by the book".
(forceps,sheetmetal holding, secured clamp, cleco, 1 each per tool
container, mobile,7 drawer, four wheels, one handle...and
Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah....

I wish the book guy's would get outta'tha' way...they're slowin the rest
of
us down.

Dave...one of the 10% and damn proud of it.
NARFJAX (now NADEP) WG-10 "Tinbender" P-3, S-2, S-3, T-2, A-7, F/A-18
line.
How long???...Too long.


"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
. ..
Guys, guys, cleco, forceps, tomato, tomotto

"Every ship [squadron] is different."
(7 years in the Navy)

Happy New Year


While putting iron in the air is all of our goals, I can appreciate Wayne
being able to quote the C-40 Tool pub as his reference. Working at a
civilian helicopter completions center, I know that when the FAA shows up
and asks what adhesive you are using when installing a doubler, you better
be able to show him/her the information in the appropriate Structural
Repair
Manual you referenced when doing that modification.

Nawww.....Thats Engineerings Department. Just refer the Feds to them.

"Roger" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:10:43 GMT, "LP"
wrote:

wrote in message
roups.com...

D.Reid wrote:
"Forceps"???...what the hell are "FORCEPS"???
I been in the "trade" for 30 years and I never heard of nuttin called
forceps!!!...that had anything to do with cleco's...


I'm willing to wager that you were never in the Navy. I know Bob was &
I have heard other Navy guys call them forceps. Different lingo in
different circles. Given theat the tool isn't used to ply anything,
forceps might even be a more accurate term. Sorry that the world
doesn't conform to your expectations.

Daniel

If someone at work ask to borrow my forceps, he or she would get a deer
in
the headlight look. However, third drawer down on the right is my CLECO
pliers. Oh yeah, 23 years in the NAVY.

I've worked with and around electronics most of my life and computers
since they came on the scene. If you ask for my forceps that is
exactly what is in the second drawer down in the smaller tool box,
right along with a bunch of dentists tools. I think there are probably
a couple of scalpels in there too.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Now Roger...we're talkin' a different kinda "animule" here...You're
absolutly right. In Electronics and "Delicate" instrument work "Forceps"
certainly have there place...but...They were talkin about "Cleco pliers".

(Big Grin)
Dave