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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a
hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder? Here's the article http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote: actually that is incorrect- a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will be manintained in storage at AMARC " wrote in message oups.com... Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
scary thought-we can't trust them to make sure the parts stay here--so they
destroy them- makes you wonder about security-- " wrote in message ups.com... Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder? Here's the article http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote: actually that is incorrect- a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will be manintained in storage at AMARC " wrote in message oups.com... Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
WOW! My last post looked like I had brain fade.
LOL Good point about security. I guess you can't trust your own military either. Burt you know, if the F-14 parts being sold to Iran news did not make to the mainstream media would they have done this? .... My crystal ball says, "Not on your life." On Apr 29, 11:49 am, "rstro" wrote: scary thought-we can't trust them to make sure the parts stay here--so they destroy them- makes you wonder about security-- |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
Quite strangely, U.S. Marine Corps never bought F-14, so it looks the
last *real* aircraft they operated was F-4 Phantom, or maybe A-6 Intruder... And now they strongly oppose against F-35C, fighting hard for the all-STOVL force. Best regards, Jacek On 28 Kwi, 00:17, "Paul J. Adam" wrote: In message , rstro writes sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War? QED. Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats. -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... In message , rstro writes sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War? QED. The only Three things that our 15 and 16 drivers repected on the F-14 was the extra set of eyes, the first turn during the wings sweeping forward and the Phoenix system that costs way too much to use. The F-35 can out turn the 14 no matter what, the Superhornet can do the Top Cap with Amrams just fine and the days of the need for two sets of eyes is all but gone. Plus, the 14 was taken out of service because it became too expensive per flying hour to continue. Too bad, JAG had some nice footage of it. But let's face it, in it's day, the 14 was the 800 lb gurrilla for Top Cap over the Carrier Group but age bit it in the ass. Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats. I vote for the F3F myself. |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
You know considering how the Navy chose to deliberately go about destroying anything and everything "old" that would interfere with their plan to modernize the Navy - a politically motivated behavior seen in the demise of the Convair B-58 Hustlers as a retribution act to match to the destruction of all the Northrop Flying Wings. I am not so sure the Iranians can really get or want those F-14 parts from AMARC (if it were even possible) but it is possible that the F-14D could be refurbished into an even stronger jet that would embarrass first the F/A-18 and then much worse the F-35, especially given its failing components and subsystems. The methodology is all the same - over kill the hype about how old and broken the airframe is, selectively shut down spares and key component supply, and make the program look like a mess. The F-14D can still fly circles around all other Navy fighters and if it would be given some of the reliability and maintainability upgrades evident in the E/F as well as the AESA upgrade from the F-35 - well the old Turkey would smile a new light on Naval Air. As long as anyone can look back the present breed of Naval air leadership is petrified - absolutely paranoid - of not only that it can't do the Tomcat's job with what's left but what the F-14 could still grow beyond itself. The demise of the Tomcat will be the date in which carrier aviation became unbalanced - with new fast nuclear ships and a weak unsupportive air wing - thus bringing the submarine one notch closer to replacing the surface fleet as the critical combatant lead. "Choose Wisely" and they did not - " wrote in message ups.com... Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder? Here's the article http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote: actually that is incorrect- a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will be manintained in storage at AMARC " wrote in message oups.com... Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to prevent part sales to Iran. On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote: sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from the
Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom Miller DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the Corps into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was the Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but the first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came into the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea, yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over. wrote in message ups.com... Quite strangely, U.S. Marine Corps never bought F-14, so it looks the last *real* aircraft they operated was F-4 Phantom, or maybe A-6 Intruder... And now they strongly oppose against F-35C, fighting hard for the all-STOVL force. Best regards, Jacek On 28 Kwi, 00:17, "Paul J. Adam" wrote: In message , rstro writes sure there is/......... call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14 Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War? QED. Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats. -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
A friend of mine was a part the USMC to "look over" the F-14. His
impressions from a technician' s POV was the plane was a horrible design for maintaining. On May 2, 9:50 pm, "Flashnews" wrote: there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from the Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom Miller DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the Corps into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was the Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but the first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came into the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea, yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over. |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
Interesting theory and I have heard something similar back in 2004 or
2005. I don't know how much of this is true however. On May 2, 9:41 pm, "Flashnews" wrote: You know considering how the Navy chose to deliberately go about destroying anything and everything "old" that would interfere with their plan to modernize the Navy - a politically motivated behavior seen in the demise of the Convair B-58 Hustlers as a retribution act to match to the destruction of all the Northrop Flying Wings. I am not so sure the Iranians can really get or want those F-14 parts from AMARC (if it were even possible) but it is possible that the F-14D could be refurbished into an even stronger jet that would embarrass first the F/A-18 and then much worse the F-35, especially given its failing components and subsystems. The methodology is all the same - over kill the hype about how old and broken the airframe is, selectively shut down spares and key component supply, and make the program look like a mess. The F-14D can still fly circles around all other Navy fighters and if it would be given some of the reliability and maintainability upgrades evident in the E/F as well as the AESA upgrade from the F-35 - well the old Turkey would smile a new light on Naval Air. As long as anyone can look back the present breed of Naval air leadership is petrified - absolutely paranoid - of not only that it can't do the Tomcat's job with what's left but what the F-14 could still grow beyond itself. The demise of the Tomcat will be the date in which carrier aviation became unbalanced - with new fast nuclear ships and a weak unsupportive air wing - thus bringing the submarine one notch closer to replacing the surface fleet as the critical combatant lead. "Choose Wisely" and they did not - |
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Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy
of course it was - but that didn't make it less the terror of the sky -
just cost more to fly it and that meant people too " wrote in message ups.com... A friend of mine was a part the USMC to "look over" the F-14. His impressions from a technician' s POV was the plane was a horrible design for maintaining. On May 2, 9:50 pm, "Flashnews" wrote: there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from the Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom Miller DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the Corps into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was the Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but the first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came into the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea, yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over. |
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