IFR GNS 430 with expired database

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Yes and no. To use the GPS to substitute for DME on a VOR-DME
approach is an approach operation. It requires a C129(A1) certified
box with a current database.

Reference please? I think using a GPS for DME is a terminal operation - not
approach. Even when it is part of the approach such as a VOR-DME. Same for a
DME Arc.

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Travis
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Travis Marlatte wrote:


If I had an expired database, I don't think I would file /G.



No reason not to, it's perfectly legal.




But, I would
accept a direct clearance.


Irrelevant.



If I can find an airport that hasn't moved in 50
years


Or even the last few days since the database was current.



or a FAF, ATC doesn't care how I do it. Of course, if I screw it up,
I'll have some 'splainin to do.

You would anyways.

Yes and no. To use the GPS to substitute for DME on a VOR-DME
approach is an approach operation. It requires a C129(A1) certified
box with a current database.

Absolutely wrong.


Reference please? I think using a GPS for DME is a terminal operation - not
approach. Even when it is part of the approach such as a VOR-DME. Same for a
DME Arc.

Correct. Current database not required.

would a sextant provide "current approved data"?


On 16 Apr 2007 22:06:41 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 16, 6:01 pm, Dave S wrote:
Peter Clark wrote:
On 16 Apr 2007 07:11:13 -0700, "paul kgyy"
wrote:

What about using it for locating missed approach holding points (a-la
NDB or DME substitution)? Since the database is out of date, you
can't use it for approaches, even non-GPS.

Yes.. you can.

Indeed. The usual verbiage is

"IFR enroute and terminal navigation is prohibited unless the pilot
verifies the currency of the data base or verifies each selected
waypoint for accuracy by reference to current approved data."

NDB and DME substitution on non-GPS missed approaches is a terminal
operation.