A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Military Aviation
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Edwards air show B-1 speed record attempt



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 18th 03, 11:32 PM
Paul Hirose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Edwards air show B-1 speed record attempt

The Edwards AFB air show on October 25 and 26 will feature attempts to
set numerous world speed records with a B-1B. The speed runs will
include low altitude passes over the show area. A release of 84 inert
500-lb bombs in view of the crowd will conclude the B-1 flying on both
days.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/oh_2003/do...vent-info.html

--

Paul Hirose

  #2  
Old October 19th 03, 07:08 PM
Alan Minyard
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:32:00 GMT, Paul Hirose
wrote:

The Edwards AFB air show on October 25 and 26 will feature attempts to
set numerous world speed records with a B-1B. The speed runs will
include low altitude passes over the show area. A release of 84 inert
500-lb bombs in view of the crowd will conclude the B-1 flying on both
days.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/oh_2003/do...vent-info.html


How in the world is a B-1B going to set *any* speed records?

Al Minyard
  #3  
Old October 19th 03, 07:56 PM
Thomas Schoene
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message


How in the world is a B-1B going to set *any* speed records?


Not absolute records. It already has a bunch in its weight class for speed
over particular courses, speed with certain payloads, etc. I expect the
plan to improve on those and add some more.

The B-1's current records are listed here, along with records by other
aircraft in the same general categories. I imagine they'll be trying to
take some away from the Tu-160.

http://www.b1b.wpafb.af.mil/pages/pdf/b1_records.pdf

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)




  #4  
Old October 19th 03, 08:57 PM
Guy Alcala
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Alan Minyard wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:32:00 GMT, Paul Hirose
wrote:

The Edwards AFB air show on October 25 and 26 will feature attempts to
set numerous world speed records with a B-1B. The speed runs will
include low altitude passes over the show area. A release of 84 inert
500-lb bombs in view of the crowd will conclude the B-1 flying on both
days.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/oh_2003/do...vent-info.html


How in the world is a B-1B going to set *any* speed records?


Probably the same way it set the numerous speed records it has held since
1987 and later; for closed circuits of 1,000km, 2,000km (both in class
C-1q, 150,000 to 200,000 kg. t/o wgt.) and 5,000km (unlimited wgt. class)
with payloads varying from zero to 30,000 kg., for 10,000km with zero
payload (unlimited wgt.) , and for around the world eastbound (refueled in
flight, unlimited wgt.). They might be looking to take a few more of the
10,000km records with payload from the B-52H which currently holds them, or
else boost some of the 5,000km records or the around the world records they
already hold. See

http://records.fai.org/general_aviat...p?id1=21&id2=4

for the current records. The other option, which sounds more like what
they're talking about with the "speed runs," would be to try and set a low
altitude speed record in its weight class; although AFAIK the FAI no longer
recognizes low altitude speed records per se owing to the danger.

Guy


  #5  
Old October 20th 03, 12:52 AM
Paul Hirose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

The local civilian newspaper has an article about the upcoming B-1
speed record attempts. The runs will be in two weight classes (on
different days), each day including 100-, 500-, and 1000-km closed
course runs, apparently at 500 feet. "The bomber will maintain speeds
of 0.9 to 0.95 Mach, or nearly 700 mph, while skimming along at 500
feet above the ground."

There will also be speed runs on 3- and 15-km straight line courses.
The 3-km pass will be at 400 feet and .95 Mach. The 15-km pass will be
at 15,000 and 1.2 Mach.

Each day will conclude with the bomb load being dropped on the range
about four miles from the air show grounds.

http://www.avpress.com/n/susty1.hts

--

Paul Hirose

  #6  
Old October 20th 03, 12:58 AM
BUFDRVR
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

They might be looking to take a few more of the
10,000km records with payload from the B-52H which currently holds them


Lots of luck, those records maxed out the B-52H unrefueled range, unless
they've installed new engines in that Bone making it 50% more efficient I don't
think they've got a chance.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"
  #7  
Old October 20th 03, 01:16 AM
Scott Ferrin
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:56:42 GMT, "Thomas Schoene"
wrote:

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message


How in the world is a B-1B going to set *any* speed records?


Not absolute records. It already has a bunch in its weight class for speed
over particular courses, speed with certain payloads, etc. I expect the
plan to improve on those and add some more.

The B-1's current records are listed here, along with records by other
aircraft in the same general categories. I imagine they'll be trying to
take some away from the Tu-160.

http://www.b1b.wpafb.af.mil/pages/pdf/b1_records.pdf




I wish they'd get the fire to break more records these days like they
did back in the fifties and sixties. Hell some of the "records" out
there are ones that any line aircraft could break easily if not
actually performing *beyond* them regularly.
  #8  
Old October 20th 03, 08:18 AM
Regnirps
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Oh, crap! The table uses that French system with the km/hour I can never make
sense of!

-- Charlie Springer
  #9  
Old October 20th 03, 08:44 AM
PosterBoy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Regnirps" wrote in message
...
Oh, crap! The table uses that French system with the km/hour I can never

make
sense of!

-- Charlie Springer


I think you mean that nearly universal system with the km/hour. Try:

http://www.teaching-english-in-japan...ion/kilometers

or, if you don't wish to learn anything, just want to convert:

http://www.escapeartist.com/Miles_Ki...Converter.html

Cheers.


  #10  
Old October 20th 03, 11:24 PM
Guy Alcala
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

BUFDRVR wrote:

They might be looking to take a few more of the
10,000km records with payload from the B-52H which currently holds them


Lots of luck, those records maxed out the B-52H unrefueled range, unless
they've installed new engines in that Bone making it 50% more efficient I don't
think they've got a chance.


From Paul Hirose's post it appears that they aren't going for the 10,000 km
records. Personally, I'd think that capturing the record for 10,000km at 1 and
maybe 2,000 kg. payloads might be doable, given ideal conditions and very precise
flying rather than any improvement in engine sfc. But maybe the 10,000km/no
payload record was already on the edge of what could be physically achieved, and
there's no room for improvement.

Guy

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bush's guard record JDKAHN Home Built 13 October 3rd 04 09:38 PM
Space Elevator Big John Home Built 111 July 21st 04 04:31 PM
U.S. Troops, Aircraft a Hit at Moscow Air Show Otis Willie Military Aviation 0 August 28th 03 10:04 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.