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China's stealth jet -J-20



 
 
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  #11  
Old January 11th 11, 07:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Orval Fairbairn[_2_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

In article
,
J wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:59*pm, "Keith Willshaw" wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?

Cheers . . . J.


They have some very good engineers who could come up with some real
innovations.

That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack (with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.
  #12  
Old January 11th 11, 07:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
William Black[_2_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 01/11/2011 11:06 AM, J wrote:
On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?


The fundamental physics isn't a secret, it's to do with transmission
line theory.

After that it's just engineering.

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
  #13  
Old January 11th 11, 07:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Dan[_12_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 1/11/2011 12:24 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?

Cheers . . . J.


They have some very good engineers who could come up with some real
innovations.

That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack (with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.


Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
  #14  
Old January 11th 11, 08:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

Dan wrote:

On 1/11/2011 12:24 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article
,
wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?

Cheers . . . J.



They have some very good engineers who could come up with some real
innovations.

That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack (with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.



Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Reverse engineering. Ever heard of it?
;-)
  #15  
Old January 11th 11, 09:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Daryl Hunt[_3_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 1/11/2011 12:57 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
Dan wrote:

On 1/11/2011 12:24 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article
,

wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith
wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is
possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?

Cheers . . . J.


They have some very good engineers who could come up with some
real
innovations.

That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be
very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack
(with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.



Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it
can be remotely commanded to cause major system failure.
Essentially one could get the Red Chinese to construct an
airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Reverse engineering. Ever heard of it?
;-)


Yah, ask Toyota, Nissan and Honda how well that went when they
stole Chrysler blind on the throttle. It made Chrysler have to
recall a couple of hundred thousand cars just to make sure that
their system was good. It was.

Toyota and other Japanese companies bought the same equipment
from the same suppliers. The problem was, the control unit was
stupid and they had to reverse engineer the coding. They blew
it. In the Chrysler, there is a build in system where if
something goes wrong with the controller it disengages the
throttle. And if you tap the brake, it disengages the throttle.
Guess what, they left out those last two items and them lied to
the public and Congress about it. Yes, let them reverse engineer
that way there is more likelihood that they will screw the pooch.


  #16  
Old January 11th 11, 11:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Andrew Swallow
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 11/01/2011 18:53, Dan wrote:
{snip}


Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


The danger with that one is that our own aeroplanes have the save flaw.

Andrew Swallow
  #17  
Old January 12th 11, 02:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Schiffner
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On Jan 11, 12:27*pm, Juergen Nieveler
wrote:
Dan wrote:
* *Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.


One that lets a plane fly into a building by accident?


No you are thinking of the chipsets in the entire airbus fleet. 8^)
  #18  
Old January 12th 11, 02:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Dan[_12_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 1/11/2011 4:42 PM, Andrew Swallow wrote:
On 11/01/2011 18:53, Dan wrote:
{snip}


Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


The danger with that one is that our own aeroplanes have the save flaw.

Andrew Swallow


Not if done right. Letting the bad guys assume you use it doesn't
mean you have to actually do so. Think of the phantom army Patton ran
prior to Overlord. The Nazis assumed it existed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
  #19  
Old January 12th 11, 02:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Schiffner
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On Jan 11, 12:57*pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
wrote:
Dan wrote:
On 1/11/2011 12:24 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:


In article
,
* *wrote:


On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith *wrote:


On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?


Cheers . . . J.


They have some very good engineers who could come up with some real
innovations.


That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack (with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.


* Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one could
get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Reverse engineering. *Ever heard of it?
;-)


You obviously haven't...**** eating trolls like you and the nazi's
around here need to **** off.
  #20  
Old January 12th 11, 02:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Dan[_12_]
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Default China's stealth jet -J-20

On 1/11/2011 1:57 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
Dan wrote:

On 1/11/2011 12:24 PM, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article
,
wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:59 pm, "Keith wrote:

On of the problems when dealing with a socity like China
is that its hard to know when they have produced a
prototype. They tend to look less tolerantly on plane
spotters than western natons.


Keith, this ignorant civilian would like to know if it is possible for
the Chinese
to have a good understanding of what is needed to develop this
aircraft fully
as a result of stealing the information (i.e., hacking military
computers)?

Cheers . . . J.


They have some very good engineers who could come up with some real
innovations.

That said, if they depend on stolen information, it would be very easy
to plant deliberate misinformation in places they can hack (with some
effort). That is the flaw in stealind information.



Let them steal a chip design with a built in flaw such that it can be
remotely commanded to cause major system failure. Essentially one
could get the Red Chinese to construct an airplane with a built in bomb.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Reverse engineering. Ever heard of it?
;-)


Ever heard of getting a degree from a university that teaches reading
for comprehension?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
 




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