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"Allan9" wrote in message . .. Green Bay have them? Nope. |
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"Allan9" wrote in message . .. Warren I take exception to your statement. The situation would have been researched and the user would have had the situation explained to them right or wrong. Maybe that's what they would do in your facility. Al Except away. What ATC facility QA department are you affiliated with? Quality Assurance at a busy terminal or en route facility is largely concerned with the technicalities of aircraft separation, air space separation and incidents/accidents. For a non-incident/accident, all you are actually going to get is lip service, believe it or not. Chip, ZTL |
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My sneaking hunch would be your southbounds are affected by MKE's
Al "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. Green Bay have them? Nope. |
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Four years AMQA ORD/C90
Al "Warren Jones" wrote in message ink.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. Warren I take exception to your statement. The situation would have been researched and the user would have had the situation explained to them right or wrong. Maybe that's what they would do in your facility. Al Except away. What ATC facility QA department are you affiliated with? Quality Assurance at a busy terminal or en route facility is largely concerned with the technicalities of aircraft separation, air space separation and incidents/accidents. For a non-incident/accident, all you are actually going to get is lip service, believe it or not. Chip, ZTL |
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"Allan9" wrote in message . .. My sneaking hunch would be your southbounds are affected by MKE's Yes, MKE has preferential routes. As do many other terminals which aircraft may be cleared to from GRB. But GRB has none. |
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"Allan9" wrote in message ... Four years AMQA ORD/C90 Al "Warren Jones" wrote in message ink.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. Warren I take exception to your statement. The situation would have been researched and the user would have had the situation explained to them right or wrong. Maybe that's what they would do in your facility. Al Except away. What ATC facility QA department are you affiliated with? Quality Assurance at a busy terminal or en route facility is largely concerned with the technicalities of aircraft separation, air space separation and incidents/accidents. For a non-incident/accident, all you are actually going to get is lip service, believe it or not. And in the situation of Potomac Tracon controller refusing the routing on this aircraft, as AMQA at Potomac you would have done what internally? You said "the user would have had the situation explained to them, rightly or wrong". That's lip service. That's exactly what I would expect QA to do at my facility. Soothe the pilot with "we're looking into this." But as far as somehow finding a QA issue in the case cited, refusing the route isn't a QA issue. It's a tactical issue and the controller is the tactician. Chip, ZTL |
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Just to make certain we are talking apples and apples I am not referring to
the published (AIM) for one, Preferential Routings. I am speaking to the ARTCC (ZAU or ZMP) internal computer routings. That'll be what comes out between the plus signs. Al "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. My sneaking hunch would be your southbounds are affected by MKE's Yes, MKE has preferential routes. As do many other terminals which aircraft may be cleared to from GRB. But GRB has none. |
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Maybe that's the manner your QA operates. We did tell the user we would
investigate and would ask them if they wanted us to get back to them with what we found. If they did we did. Internal people actions were handled in house. All the user needed to know was the situation was resolved. Al "Warren Jones" wrote in message k.net... "Allan9" wrote in message ... Four years AMQA ORD/C90 Al "Warren Jones" wrote in message ink.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. Warren I take exception to your statement. The situation would have been researched and the user would have had the situation explained to them right or wrong. Maybe that's what they would do in your facility. Al Except away. What ATC facility QA department are you affiliated with? Quality Assurance at a busy terminal or en route facility is largely concerned with the technicalities of aircraft separation, air space separation and incidents/accidents. For a non-incident/accident, all you are actually going to get is lip service, believe it or not. And in the situation of Potomac Tracon controller refusing the routing on this aircraft, as AMQA at Potomac you would have done what internally? You said "the user would have had the situation explained to them, rightly or wrong". That's lip service. That's exactly what I would expect QA to do at my facility. Soothe the pilot with "we're looking into this." But as far as somehow finding a QA issue in the case cited, refusing the route isn't a QA issue. It's a tactical issue and the controller is the tactician. Chip, ZTL |
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"Allan9" wrote in message . .. Just to make certain we are talking apples and apples I am not referring to the published (AIM) for one, Preferential Routings. I am speaking to the ARTCC (ZAU or ZMP) internal computer routings. That'll be what comes out between the plus signs. I'm talking apples. |
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Ok
Al "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Allan9" wrote in message . .. Just to make certain we are talking apples and apples I am not referring to the published (AIM) for one, Preferential Routings. I am speaking to the ARTCC (ZAU or ZMP) internal computer routings. That'll be what comes out between the plus signs. I'm talking apples. |
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