Diamond goal flight rejected due to typo

I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.


So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

On Jun 10, 9:08*am, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. *Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" *I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. *Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". *So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. *This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. *The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! *I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.

So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? *I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

Sorry, Badge rules enforcement is arbitrary, not logical. Been there.

On Jun 10, 9:08*am, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. *Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" *I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. *Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". *So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. *This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. *The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! *I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.

So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? *I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

Scott,

Bummer! The sporting code was updated last October. One of our local
pilots had a Diamond Altitude claim that was invalid for exactly the
same reason. From what I've heard Judy can have some leniency with
silver and gold claims since those are processed at the national level
but Diamond claims are international and get sent to the FAI and they
follow right down to the letter of the law.

I guess you get to go fly the flight again!

On Jun 10, 9:08*am, Scott Alexander
wrote:
I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. *Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" *I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. *Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". *So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. *This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. *The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! *I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.

So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? *I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

oh - and you DID do a Diamond Flight!! There is a difference between
a badge flight and a badge performance. the performance part means
you managed to successfully jump through all of the paperwork hoops.

On Jun 10, 7:32*am, Tony wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:08*am, Scott Alexander
wrote:





I received an email stating that my diamond goal flight has been
rejected due to a typo on my igc declaration. *Despite the fact that
the security was good, all turnpoints rounded ok, and everything else
good, it's still rejected.

On the IGC declaration where it says "registered ID" *I typed in "SA"
because that is my paid-for registered contest ID. *Apparently I
should have typed in "N-2429". *So because of this, the flight doesn't
count.

I was also informed that on page 53 of the March 2010 Soaring
magazine, it says (in 8 point font) that you can no longer use your
register contest ID. *This really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
me. *The glider type is in question, not the security, date or name
even though it's not a handicapped claim! *I only own one aircraft,
which can be easily verified through the FAA aircraft registry.

So now I am merely trying to figure out the best way to solve this
claim.

Does anyone have any suggestions of who I might contact to help get
this claim to pass? *I would really like to say I did a diamond flight
but unfortunately because of this new rule, I can't say I did a
diamond flight.

oh - and you DID do a Diamond Flight!! *There is a difference between
a badge flight and a badge performance. *the performance part means
you managed to successfully jump through all of the paperwork hoops.- Hide quoted text -

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Congrats on the flight Scott, regardless of the typo!
This subject came up a while back (3-4 months ago??) Your post
prompted me to look at one of my .igc files. I see that I have:
HFGIDGLIDERID:16UF
I don't recall how many characters are allowed, but I'm going to try
making it:
HFGIDGLIDERID:N16UF
just to be safe!
Again, awesome flight!
Jim

I've talked to the chairman, who by the way was very nice and
helpful. What I'm looking for more specifically is perhaps someone
that has dealt with this recently and has success dealing with the FAI
leaders. This was my 5th try at Diamond Goal in the past 12 months.
The other 4 were landouts.

I want this time to count. Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?
SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?


Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

--
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On Jun 10, 10:02Â*am, Wojciech Scigala wrote:
Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Â*Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?

Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

--
WojtuÅ›.net

SSA contest numbers are unique but they are assigned to a person not a
sailplane. Maybe that is the rub.

On Jun 10, 9:02Â*am, Wojciech Scigala wrote:
Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Â*Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?

SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?

Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

--
WojtuÅ›.net

SSA issued Contest IDs are issued to a pilot and not the glider, and
they are therefore definitely *not* unique to a glider (I owned two
gliders at once both "6DX", but different N-numbers) and AFAIK this
has been the root issue with the IGC and using SSA issues contest IDs
in the IGC file GLIDERID header field.

But yes since the future of mankind does not depend on this, a
statement from the OO that the pilot flew the damn glider should be
enough, especially for a badge flight.

Darryl

Darryl

On 2010/06/10 06:02 PM, Wojciech Scigala wrote:
Użytkownik Scott Alexander napisał:

I want this time to count. Glad you got it approved Evan....anyone
else have any suggestions?
SC3 (valid 2009 AL0 edition), para 4.2.1.c (declaration content):
- glider type, and its registration _or_ serial number _or_ unique
NAC-assigned contest number.

Are SSA contest IDs unique?


Also, SC3 Annex C, para 1.2:
"OOs and National Claim Officers are encouraged to take the position
that, ensuring the rules are met, their goal is to make awards, not turn
them down for minor errors or oversights that do not affect the proof of
a soaring performance."

An OO's special statement about the glider flown should be enough to
solve the case IMHO.

That has certainly been the case till now in South Africa.
If there was no OO - then you may have a problem, because you are
relying on the flight recorder only. IGC in general is reasonable in my
experience.


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