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Plaster all surfaces of a 1-26 with solar panels and equip with electric sustainer. Give it to Daniel Sazhin and see how long he can stay aloft...
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:31:46 PM UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Was so tried of the hard deck discussion thought I would try a discussion of dreams. After seeing the vision of Elon Musk with his Falcon Heavy, I had to pinch myself. Those two boosters landing in sync.. What are some of the innovative, new technology, original thought, scifi dreams, would you like to see in a brand new glider design? Let your inter Elon Musk flow. We have seen the New Ventus, the JS-3 (very innovative), Dianna 3. So far the South Africans have shown the most original thought. If you were to design a glider what are your dreams? 18/21 or 15/18 meters Sustainer, jet, electric, two stroke? Light weight: I would love to be able to get to 7.5 pounds with a 220 lb pilot+chute and up to 12ish pounds wet. This might take new manufacturing methods and materials. Perhaps pre-preg, vacuum bagging...? Pedestal mounted wing? Pedestal -- Look at the Lo-150 (& Lo-100 aerobatic) sailplane. The fuselage at the rear spar is so narrow, one wing connects to the fuselage and the second connects to a fitting on the first wing. Again, like Tony said, not a new concept... |
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Pedestal mounted wing? Pedestal -- Look at the Lo-150 (& Lo-100 aerobatic) sailplane. The fuselage at the rear spar is so narrow, one wing connects to the fuselage and the second connects to a fitting on the first wing. Again, like Tony said, not a new concept... If you are looking back, you may as well look at the German gliders of the 1930's. Most had high wings, and some were pedestal mounted. Also, for camber changing flaps, IIRC, the SB-11 which Reichman used to win the 1978 15m WGC had them too. RO |
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Time to start asking for biodegradable gliders. Gelcoat is a major step in that direction but we have a long way to go
Biodegradable gliders? Uhh- I guess we could go back to wood. |
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:31:46 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Was so tried of the hard deck discussion thought I would try a discussion of dreams. After seeing the vision of Elon Musk with his Falcon Heavy, I had to pinch myself. Those two boosters landing in sync.. What are some of the innovative, new technology, original thought, scifi dreams, would you like to see in a brand new glider design? Let your inter Elon Musk flow. We have seen the New Ventus, the JS-3 (very innovative), Dianna 3. So far the South Africans have shown the most original thought. If you were to design a glider what are your dreams? 18/21 or 15/18 meters Sustainer, jet, electric, two stroke? Light weight: I would love to be able to get to 7.5 pounds with a 220 lb pilot+chute and up to 12ish pounds wet. This might take new manufacturing methods and materials. Perhaps pre-preg, vacuum bagging...? Pedestal mounted wing? Regarding the Std Austria SH1, I question the "sparless" statement; it had a rather massive wooden spar with steel caps at the root, coupled by large pins, driven into place by captive RH and LH screws. It was close to best 15m ship at the time, thanks to the new Eppler 266 airfoil and the use of fibreglass over the playwood wing skin; it would outclimb the vaunted Sisu and outrun the K6 E. I flew one to 4th place in the 1965 US Nats in Adrian. cheers John Firth Ottawa. |
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John,
Certainly I am familiar with the carrythrough you mention on the SH-1, but my understanding is that massive structure only continues a short distance into the wing and then the load is transferred to a bunch of longitudinal stringers. The Foka 4 has a very similar arrangement. |
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Maybe a bit of inspiration would help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_kfM-BmVzQ Jonkers, S-H and Dianna have all come out with new designs. There is another manufacturer rumored to to working on updating their 13 year old design of the ASG-29, at least that is the rumblings on RAS. What cool stuff woud you like to see? What happened to the technology BLR of the Scimitar? Dianna 2 was very innovative and arguably the best 15 meter glider. Jonkers kind of shook things up with the JS-3 (very small wing area). What do you want in the next new glider on the market? |
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The Nexus is being built with fly by wire and automatic flaps. As was pointed out above the SB-11 won the 1978 WGC, and that was a very radical design. Let imaginations run.
I would love automatic flaps in a new bird. I would alos like different manufacturing to allow for lighter empty weight, helps if you fly a sustainer. On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:31:46 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote: Was so tried of the hard deck discussion thought I would try a discussion of dreams. After seeing the vision of Elon Musk with his Falcon Heavy, I had to pinch myself. Those two boosters landing in sync.. What are some of the innovative, new technology, original thought, scifi dreams, would you like to see in a brand new glider design? Let your inter Elon Musk flow. We have seen the New Ventus, the JS-3 (very innovative), Dianna 3. So far the South Africans have shown the most original thought. If you were to design a glider what are your dreams? |
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I would love automatic flaps in a new bird. I would alos like different manufacturing to allow for lighter empty weight, helps if you fly a sustainer. What was the deal with the automatic flaps on the Duckhawk? Was that ever made to work at all? |
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On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 2:13:25 PM UTC-5, WB wrote:
I would love automatic flaps in a new bird. I would alos like different manufacturing to allow for lighter empty weight, helps if you fly a sustainer. What was the deal with the automatic flaps on the Duckhawk? Was that ever made to work at all? Yep, they definitely work! All the best, Daniel |
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