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("SAC" wrote)
We focus on having well equipped planes at a very reasonable rate. Members really seem to be driven to nice avionics and quality mx. We currently have 70 members with about 20 on the waiting list with 4 planes (2 Warrior, 1 Skylane, 1 Lance, all with Garmin 430's). (www.glendaleflying.com) I went to your website - nice hangar. 70 members on 4 planes = almost 18 members per plane. WOW! If one plane is gone for a week and another is down for a few days (or more) then you'd have 69 members on 2 planes. Hmm. It probably all works out just fine in the real world, but from the outside looking in - it appears like you don't have enough planes for all of those members. Montblack |
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In a previous article, "Montblack" said:
If one plane is gone for a week and another is down for a few days (or more) then you'd have 69 members on 2 planes. Hmm. It probably all works out just fine in the real world, but from the outside looking in - it appears like you don't have enough planes for all of those members. We have serious squabbles about availability every time we get up near to 60 members with 5 planes. 50 members for 5 planes works out better. Our bylaws cap our membership at 15 members per plane, but I'd hate to see that. Back before we got ScheduleMaster, though, it was easier to sustain a higher ratio because the members could see that Joe Blogs had booked the Lance for every single Thursday to Saturday for the entire spring, summer and fall season, and Fred Biggs has booked the Dakota in one block from July 1st to July 31st, even though the plane is sitting on the field unused for 90% of that time. With ScheduleMaster, everybody sees it and starts howling for Joe's and Fred's blood. So we've had to institute a few rules about how many schedules you can have in the system, and how long you can book a plane for at a time. If you book a plane for an extended period and don't cancel the booking and don't use it, *then* we apply minimum per-day charges. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Using vi is kind of like having sex. The first time to use it, it's kind of awkward, but after using for a while you start to get good at it and enjoy it. -- Eric Merkel |
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In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
Back before we got ScheduleMaster, though, it was easier to sustain a higher ratio because the members could see that Joe Blogs had booked the ^couldn't Lance for every single Thursday to Saturday for the entire spring, summer and fall season, and Fred Biggs has booked the Dakota in one block from July 1st to July 31st, even though the plane is sitting on the field unused for 90% of that time. With ScheduleMaster, everybody sees it and starts howling for Joe's and Fred's blood. So we've had to institute a -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ But seriously, I've got root, so it's his problem. -- Nick Manka |
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Yes, that happens. In fact, we just had a top overhaul on the Skylane while
waiting for the engine mount to be repaired on the Lance. Members seem to understand. We do keep all of our annuals in the winter to help limit prime season down time. In looking at our scheduling system (MyFBO), there are actually 20% of our member that haven't flown in six months, some much longer. That really helps too. SAC "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... In a previous article, "Montblack" said: If one plane is gone for a week and another is down for a few days (or more) then you'd have 69 members on 2 planes. Hmm. It probably all works out just fine in the real world, but from the outside looking in - it appears like you don't have enough planes for all of those members. We have serious squabbles about availability every time we get up near to 60 members with 5 planes. 50 members for 5 planes works out better. Our bylaws cap our membership at 15 members per plane, but I'd hate to see that. Back before we got ScheduleMaster, though, it was easier to sustain a higher ratio because the members could see that Joe Blogs had booked the Lance for every single Thursday to Saturday for the entire spring, summer and fall season, and Fred Biggs has booked the Dakota in one block from July 1st to July 31st, even though the plane is sitting on the field unused for 90% of that time. With ScheduleMaster, everybody sees it and starts howling for Joe's and Fred's blood. So we've had to institute a few rules about how many schedules you can have in the system, and how long you can book a plane for at a time. If you book a plane for an extended period and don't cancel the booking and don't use it, *then* we apply minimum per-day charges. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Using vi is kind of like having sex. The first time to use it, it's kind of awkward, but after using for a while you start to get good at it and enjoy it. -- Eric Merkel |
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In a previous article, "SAC" said:
In looking at our scheduling system (MyFBO), there are actually 20% of our member that haven't flown in six months, some much longer. That really helps too. In our club of 50 people, 10 people do 50% of the flying, another 20 do most of the rest, and then there are people who keep paying their dues but either only do their annual check ride (we require a BFR-like ride every year) or don't even do that. We love those guys. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ FAQs are like flatulence. Any asshole can produce them. -- Toni L |
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One thing I wonder about...how do you guys get the capital to buy a
plane for a new club? I always thought that a club was good for the folks who can't afford to own, but don't want to depend on renting schedules. John |
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In a previous article, John T said:
One thing I wonder about...how do you guys get the capital to buy a plane for a new club? My club was founded in 1958 with one Cessna 150. Over the years it's been up to 7 planes (including two Bonanzas) and now it's got 5 planes. We've bought two Archers and a Dakota since I joined, but each time we sold other older planes and made up the difference by taking on debt, but of course we always had the other planes for collaterol for that. I have no idea how you buy a plane without an existing club and club assets. I've spent time poking around the Oshawa Flying Club in Oshawa Ontario and the Ottawa Flying Club in Ottawa Ontario, both clubs that have snack bars and buildings and other stuff that put our club to shame. But both of them started with the acquisition of incredibly cheap trainers (Tiger Moths and Fleet Finches, I think) from the British Commonwealth Air Training Program at the end of the war. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ "Whoah, whoah! A fat sarcastic Star Trek fan? You must be a devil with the ladies!" - Simpsons |
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John T wrote:
One thing I wonder about...how do you guys get the capital to buy a plane for a new club? I always thought that a club was good for the folks who can't afford to own, but don't want to depend on renting schedules. The clubs I know about that own planes have all been around for a very long time. I don't know how you'd get one started. Borrow, I suppose. The club I know best leases its planes from individual owners who are also club members. Seems to work out OK. I was an owner of one of the club planes for a while. DGB |
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We've been around since '61 and I'm not sure how it started.
I guess you could start with a few people willing to put up a personal guarantee for a loan until you have enough collateral to get your own club financing. Then open up to new incoming member to bring in fees and dues and build from there. SAC "John T" wrote in message ... One thing I wonder about...how do you guys get the capital to buy a plane for a new club? I always thought that a club was good for the folks who can't afford to own, but don't want to depend on renting schedules. John |
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