Liar Liar Pants On Fire Dept: Moller

In article , Richard Isakson
says...


"Weeeeelerrrrrrr" wrote ...
Just like all the people that went before the Wrights that were
ridiculed, moller may have laid down a contribution that turns out to be
more than a footnote in years to come.

There is no valid comparison between the Wrights and Moller so your argument
is meaningless. Now, if you'd like to compare Moller with Jim Bede ...

Rich

....or with zoom campbell :-)

Chuck S

On Sep 3, 8:08 am, Welleeeeerrr wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote in news:1188782671.017336.233470@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:



Now, a serious examination of the problem of "liberal intellectuals"

Liberal intellectuals?

So, only liberals can be duped by someone like Moller?

You'd make a great propoganda minister.

What part of "You will of course overlook the political specifics"
and ((For "liberal intellectualism", "Financial suckerism" may be
interchanged here-Bret)) did not seem clear to you? I am not defending
or advocating his politics here but the concept of symbiosis of the
deluded and deluders.

On Sep 3, 11:53 am, Weeeeelerrrrrrr wrote:
"Dale Alexander" wrote :

No...liberals can be duped by just about anybody or anything...just
look at all of their "religious beliefs".

Good grief.

Aside from your appalling ignorance, the lack of imagination you're
displaying is , to put it bluntly, frightening.

Wonder what you would have made of the Wrights?

Or Copernicus.

Moller's car is obviously a piece of crap, but a technology may arive in
the future that makes it, or some similar contraption, viable.


Bell invented as similar a contraption as needs or is going to be
invented. It's called the Bell 47. If numerous movie stars can be
taught to fly them anyone can.

On Sep 3, 12:09 pm, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
Moller's advertising, like some others, is comparable to the Wright
Brother's advertising supersonic capability while still trying to develop
their glider.
All this would be much more entertaining if the designers like Moller would
perform the demonstration flights themselves and then brag about it.

That's just it. He has no intention of flying. Just like that German
fraud Michael Zoche and his engine.

On Sep 3, 5:54 pm, "Richard Isakson" wrote:
"Weeeeelerrrrrrr" wrote ...

Just like all the people that went before the Wrights that were
ridiculed, moller may have laid down a contribution that turns out to be
more than a footnote in years to come.

There is no valid comparison between the Wrights and Moller so your argument
is meaningless. Now, if you'd like to compare Moller with Jim Bede ...


Bede is a con man and has killed several people, not on purpose but
negligently for sure. Nevertheless his machines fly-sort of.

On Sep 3, 6:26 pm, Weeeelerieeeireireirierie wrote:
"Richard Isakson" wrote innews:iuudnWPrdvwyE0HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@whidbeytel .com:



"Weeeeelerrrrrrr" wrote ...
Just like all the people that went before the Wrights that were
ridiculed, moller may have laid down a contribution that turns out to
be more than a footnote in years to come.

There is no valid comparison between the Wrights and Moller so your
argument is meaningless. Now, if you'd like to compare Moller with
Jim Bede ...

I wasn't comparing the Wrights with Moller, merely pointing out that
ignorant people in their time would have had a similar opinion of the two.
They did, it's a fact.

Moller's car doesn't work and I don't think it ever will The point I am
making is that that poster's lack of imagination is nauseating, but even
that pales in comparison to his reprehensible use of Moller's dishonesty to
tar a political view opposing his own.

That make him a ****heel first class.

No politics were intended. I do have political beliefs-which are in
fact pretty close to Revvilo Oliver's-but they are not my purpose here
at all. The issue is con men and their marks.

Bret Ludwig wrote in
ups.com:

On Sep 3, 6:26 pm, Weeeelerieeeireireirierie wrote:
"Richard Isakson" wrote
innews:iuudnWPrdvwyE0HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@whidbeytel .com:



"Weeeeelerrrrrrr" wrote ...
Just like all the people that went before the Wrights that were
ridiculed, moller may have laid down a contribution that turns out
to be more than a footnote in years to come.

There is no valid comparison between the Wrights and Moller so your
argument is meaningless. Now, if you'd like to compare Moller with
Jim Bede ...

I wasn't comparing the Wrights with Moller, merely pointing out that
ignorant people in their time would have had a similar opinion of the
two. They did, it's a fact.

Moller's car doesn't work and I don't think it ever will The point I
am making is that that poster's lack of imagination is nauseating,
but even that pales in comparison to his reprehensible use of
Moller's dishonesty to tar a political view opposing his own.

That make him a ****heel first class.

No politics were intended. I do have political beliefs-which are in
fact pretty close to Revvilo Oliver's-but they are not my purpose here
at all. The issue is con men and their marks.

Bull****.

Bret Ludwig wrote in
ups.com:

On Sep 3, 8:08 am, Welleeeeerrr wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote in
news:1188782671.017336.233470@ 50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:



Now, a serious examination of the problem of "liberal
intellectuals"

Liberal intellectuals?

So, only liberals can be duped by someone like Moller?

You'd make a great propoganda minister.

What part of "You will of course overlook the political specifics"



and ((For "liberal intellectualism", "Financial suckerism" may be
interchanged here-Bret



Anh, another one.


he's an asshole

You will of course, overlook the anatomical analogy.


Especiall since the anatomical version serves a useful purpose.

In article .com,
Bret Ludwig wrote:

On Sep 3, 12:09 pm, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
Moller's advertising, like some others, is comparable to the Wright
Brother's advertising supersonic capability while still trying to develop
their glider.
All this would be much more entertaining if the designers like Moller would
perform the demonstration flights themselves and then brag about it.

That's just it. He has no intention of flying. Just like that German
fraud Michael Zoche and his engine.

But Michael Zoche is duping only the government bureaucrats, not common
stockholders. Of course, Moller, IIRC, has duped the US Government, too.

Pacific Flyer recently featured another scam, this one the DP-2, by
duPont Aerospace, in San Diego, with another "VTOL craft." This one got
$63 million through Rep. Duncan Hunter and convicted Rep. Randy
Cunningham.

The fact that a large number of people calling themselves "conservatives"
appear to have fallen into similar traps is true; but does not detract in
any way from Bret's point.

If anything, it further supports that point.

Peter