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"Malcolm Austin" wrote in message news I do hope your only talking about the USA. The rest of us are rather better at using our fuel than the oversize/overused States ;-0 Actually, the efficiency of consumption per dollar of GNP in the US is the highest in the world by about 20%. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Corky Scott" wrote in message news I read a really depressing article about the future of oil several days ago. There does not appear to be any viable substitute for oil based energy at this time or on the horizon, not at the colossal amounts we consume per day now anyway. Considering that we have anywhere from 40 to 200 years of known reserves, and that breakthroughs happen with considerable frequency, I'd say whoever wrote the article was pushing an agenda. The history of mankind has been laced with such hysterics. The "years of known reserves" is a very tricky number. To get an answer, you have to project the rate of consumption and what those consumers will pay. (At one million $ per barrel, we have an infinite supply whereas the number of years of reserves at $10 per barrel is zero.) The jokers in the deck are China and India both rapidly becoming first world economies. If their consumption curve follows the rest of the industrialized world, we are in very big trouble indeed. Nuclear, anyone? Bill Daniels |
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"Malcolm Austin" wrote in message news I do hope your only talking about the USA. The rest of us are rather better at using our fuel than the oversize/overused States ;-0 I see the smiley, but that attitude ****es me off, so bad. (and I don't mean drunk) If the US were the size of England, it sure would make a difference, on how much energy we used. Trains would be feasible. We wouldn't have so many unpaved roads that need SUV's. I realize there are many people that have larger vehicles than they need, but when I travel it is by car, not train. I like to be able to take my whole family, and their stuff. -- Jim in NC |
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Hi Jim,
sorry I touched a raw nerve there! Without wanting to ramp up the "discussion" my comment would be: - Your argument really seems to say that, dam the rest of the world, we are going to use all the energy we want. We did similar things in the past, as with high sulphur coal for power generation. The result was lots of acidified lakes and dead trees east of us. Attitudes will have to change, or your very dry Death Valley will cover rather more of the country than it currently does.. Malcolm... "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Malcolm Austin" wrote in message news I do hope your only talking about the USA. The rest of us are rather better at using our fuel than the oversize/overused States ;-0 I see the smiley, but that attitude ****es me off, so bad. (and I don't mean drunk) If the US were the size of England, it sure would make a difference, on how much energy we used. Trains would be feasible. We wouldn't have so many unpaved roads that need SUV's. I realize there are many people that have larger vehicles than they need, but when I travel it is by car, not train. I like to be able to take my whole family, and their stuff. -- Jim in NC |
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Malcolm Austin wrote:
Attitudes will have to change, or your very dry Death Valley will cover rather more of the country than it currently does. No problem Malcolm, we'll just move to Jolly Old England and make ourselves at home amongst the "wind generators". "O-ver, we're coming o-ver, and we won't be back...." It should make "over-paid, over-sexed, and over here," look like a minor episode. Of course, we'll have some suggestions on changes that will need to be made to your customary way of doing things -- hope you won't mind. Jack |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...
Considering that we have anywhere from 40 to 200 years of known reserves, and that breakthroughs happen with considerable frequency, I'd say whoever wrote the article was pushing an agenda. The history of mankind has been laced with such hysterics. Ahhh, but it sure would be nice to end terrorism by no longer needing oil from the Middle East and we could let them go back to being the POOR camel ****in' Bedoins that they have historically been... |
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"Bill Daniels" wrote in message ...
The jokers in the deck are China and India both rapidly becoming first world economies. If their consumption curve follows the rest of the industrialized world, we are in very big trouble indeed. Nuclear, anyone? Nuke China and India? Well... If you *insist*... politically-incorrect-grin |
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"Malcolm Austin" wrote sorry I touched a raw nerve there! Without wanting to ramp up the "discussion" my comment would be: - Your argument really seems to say that, dam the rest of the world, we are going to use all the energy we want. No, not at all. There are not ANY alternatives to driving for most people, with the exceptions being the percentage of people living in or very near to the few largest cities that have good mass transit systems. I do carpentry work. I have a full sized van to carry my tools and material. It does not get good gas mileage, but I can not afford to get a second small efficient car to drive back and forth to work. My wife has a mini van, because we have 2 kids, and do a lot of driving for vacationing, and entertaining with other couples. Once again, there is no alternative, but to drive a larger vehicle for commuting, if you are going to use it for the size as you need it, sometimes. There are lots of people that live on gravel roads, WAY out in the country, sometimes with 100 meter (and more) drop-offs right next to the road, with no guard rails. 4 wheel drive is necessary for when it is very wet, or snow is on the road. Sometime these roads never get plowed, until the snow melts weeks later. Do you see any safe and reliable alternatives? It is true, that there is a segment of our population that could drive smaller vehicles. That needs to happen, and I realize that. It is not possible for some. I would love to walk a couple blocks and catch a train, and walk a couple more blocks to get to work. The neares passenger line is 90 miles away, and it is one line, straight though the sate, with no branches. This is in a state that I think is larger than England. Imagine that; one line for all of England. -- Jim in NC |
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Only one stipulation if you don't mind:-
WE DRIVE OF THE LEFT OF THE ROAD, AND NOT THE LEFT OF THE CAR!! We have enough trouble with the Europeans with that one !!! :-)) Malc.... PS. Oh, and I hear your not over sexed anymore, whys that ???????? "Jack" wrote in message ... Malcolm Austin wrote: Attitudes will have to change, or your very dry Death Valley will cover rather more of the country than it currently does. No problem Malcolm, we'll just move to Jolly Old England and make ourselves at home amongst the "wind generators". "O-ver, we're coming o-ver, and we won't be back...." It should make "over-paid, over-sexed, and over here," look like a minor episode. Of course, we'll have some suggestions on changes that will need to be made to your customary way of doing things -- hope you won't mind. Jack |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... There are lots of people that live on gravel roads, WAY out in the country, sometimes with 100 meter (and more) drop-offs right next to the road, with no guard rails. 4 wheel drive is necessary for when it is very wet, or snow is on the road. Sometime these roads never get plowed, until the snow melts weeks later. Do you see any safe and reliable alternatives? In just a few moments I will be driving my Honda Civic on an interstate that will be a sea of SUVs. Most of those SUVs will be carrying only one person and damn few of them will be dirty, or look like they ever have been. It makes me sick. Vaughn |
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