RIP Edward Teller

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 1:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted
effort

Well, it would have been Teller plus Heisenburg working side by side. You seem
to know the outcome of that combination for sure. I am not so sure, But I
guess we'll never know for sure. will we?

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: "WDA"
Date: 9/13/2003 1:10 PM Central

snip

Actually it was Hitler who was the long pole in the tent. He did not even
put Germany on a wartime footing until 1943, Plus he arbitrarily changed
missions and development programs, such as insisting the Me-263 be a ground
support fighter bomber instead of a B-17/B-24 interceptor.

WDA

Me-262

In hind sight it looks like Hitler was one of our better allies with all the
stupid mistakes he made. All sides made mistakes, but his were sure to make him
lose.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Dan, U.S.Air Force, retired

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
all are guilty.. even i will if we have to use the raaf for another
invasion somewhere soon...hopefully someone will remove the rogue leader
howard from office quick smart before that happens.

Are you sure you have enlisted in the RAAF dickwit?

fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly
cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc
and other ever did in the world

Bought that clue yet? rag head apologist.

From: ost (Chris Mark)
snip

The US has conducted more nuclear tests than any other country, 300 or so
more
than the (f)SU. A table listing totals by year and country is at:

http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nudb/datab15.asp

I was surprised to see how many nukes the French have fired off, more than
double the total of the Brits and Chinese combined.


Chris Mark

Interesting chart, but one above ground test is omitted. A satellite detected a
South African test back when they had a program. For the life of me I can't
recall where I read about it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
"John Carrier" wrote:

Germany had an outstanding group of theoretical physicists. They had access
to a limited amount of uranium ore. Never the less, they did not succeed in
producing a sustained nuclear reaction by war's end (we did it in 1942 at U
of Chicago).

The big problem for the German program was Heisenberg. Before the war,
he'd calculated some fission cross-sections incorractly, and apparently
never recalculated them. He thought the mass for a chain reaction was
something on the order of forty *tons*. If he'd had a somewhat smaller
ego, he might have done some recalculation of his assumptions and gotten
it right.

Even after the war, he insisted that the Americans hadn't actually built
a uranium fission bomb until he was shown the correct cross-section
calculations.

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In article ,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

Well, it would have been Teller plus Heisenburg working side by side.
You seem to know the outcome of that combination for sure. I am not
so sure, But I guess we'll never know for sure. will we?

I dunno.

Considering the epic nature of Heisenberg's ego, and having met Teller
once about 30 years back, my big prediction would have been a fast chain
reaction and blood on the floor...

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"ArtKramr" wrote...

Well, it would have been Teller plus Heisenburg working side by side.

The outcome would have been uncertain in any case, though... ;-)

(B2431) wrote:

From: ost (Chris Mark)

http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nudb/datab15.asp

Interesting chart, but one above ground test is omitted. A satellite
detected a South African test back when they had a program. For the
life of me I can't recall where I read about it.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Safrica/Vela.html

The overall site is much more fascinating:

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/

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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: Chad Irby
Date: 9/13/03 5:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

In article ,
"John Carrier" wrote:

Germany had an outstanding group of theoretical physicists. They had
access
to a limited amount of uranium ore. Never the less, they did not succeed
in
producing a sustained nuclear reaction by war's end (we did it in 1942 at U
of Chicago).

The big problem for the German program was Heisenberg. Before the war,
he'd calculated some fission cross-sections incorractly, and apparently
never recalculated them. He thought the mass for a chain reaction was
something on the order of forty *tons*. If he'd had a somewhat smaller
ego, he might have done some recalculation of his assumptions and gotten
it right.

Even after the war, he insisted that the Americans hadn't actually built
a uranium fission bomb until he was shown the correct cross-section
calculations.

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.


There is a rather extensive body of thought that maintains that Heisenburg was
deliberately obstructionist.

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 9/13/03 1:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I
doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a
half-hearted
effort

Well, it would have been Teller plus Heisenburg working side by side.
You seem to know the outcome of that combination for sure. I am not so
sure, But I guess we'll never know for sure. will we?

Lets see.
Heisenbergs monstrous ego.
Teller, Hungarian, not noted for suffering fools gladly, carries big
honkin' stick.
Yeah, on the whole I'd rather be juggling expired dynamite.

IBM


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