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Ed- Viper, we should recognize as
F-16 (in Navy livery in Top Gun) BRBR Please, not just the guys seeking publicity at TopPutz. VF-126, VF-43 and VF-45 owned the majority of the F-16N. Top Pooch had 8, the rest of us had 6, the only Squadron not having a two seater was VF-126. Get really tired when I talk about being in an adversary squadrion and the most common question is 'ohhh, you were in TopGun"...yikes NOT TOP GOON.... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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In article , Pechs1
wrote: DBurch- (BUT COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"? BRBR 'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke. Turkey is the F-14, a bigger turkey there never was, the Viper the USN version of the F-16 Falcon. 'N' model, made for the adversary squadrons and Topgun. The baby of Duke Cunningham when he was CO. Scooter was the A-4, also known by us as the loveable 'Dog', Had E, F, F+ and M models. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer In VT-10 the T-2 was the All Weather Radial Interceptor! Pusg |
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The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire a
day or two later, though. A story we'd like you to share with us if you could. -- Mike Kanze "Sit by the homely girl, you'll look better by comparison." - Debra Maffett, Miss America 1983 "Mary Shafer" wrote in message news On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan" wrote: Ed. You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform. We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM platforms. The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we, Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice. When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire a day or two later, though. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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I wonder how a Tweet would do in "combat" with a Buckeye? Anyone ever see
these two go mano a mano? Advantage Buckeye - it at least has a hook it can use for close quarter combat. v/r Gordon PS, I am aware of the combat records of A-37s, but I mean the trainers |
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Happy New Year Mary!
I was in and out of Edwards so fast that I never got time to give you a ring. I almost misread your comment bout A37's. I am either getting lazy eye or just old. I thought it said T-37s. Yikes! Did you run into Gallager at TPS? He use to get a real hard time from students when they found out who his bother was. Warmest Regards! Jake "Mary Shafer" wrote in message news On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan" wrote: Ed. You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform. We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM platforms. The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we, Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice. When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire a day or two later, though. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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Pechs,
A lot of the AF pukes call their F-16 Vipers. Mostly the ANG and Reserve. The F-16N was a hoot. No weight. I had the honor of delivering one of them to the Blackbirds in Key West. I don't think any of the of N's were not bent and broken. :-) As for the T-2, I still enjoy it. Roomy and student forgiving. With them all being retired, I would love to get a hold of one for the airshow circuit. (Tried with several friends to get a TA4J that had civil registry but was beat to the punch. We never did find out who bought it. Boeing supposedly have several of them in civilian registry.) What I would really like to know what happened to Lockmarts MB339 (Their JPATS entry) Word was a few years back that Paty Wagstaff was trying to put together a deal to buy it but it fell though. Lockmart sold it and all their spares. It was civil registered as experimental with no moratorium restrictions. Happy New Years Jake "Pechs1" wrote in message ... DBurch- (BUT COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"? BRBR 'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke. Turkey is the F-14, a bigger turkey there never was, the Viper the USN version of the F-16 Falcon. 'N' model, made for the adversary squadrons and Topgun. The baby of Duke Cunningham when he was CO. Scooter was the A-4, also known by us as the loveable 'Dog', Had E, F, F+ and M models. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"In VT-10 the T-2 was the All Weather Radial Interceptor!
Pusg" Still is but with VT-86 Jake |
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"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:yTmLb.70384$hf1.41645@lakeread06... Ed. You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform. We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM platforms. Jake Ah yes, the old T2 3 axis coupled entry!! God, that was fun. TPS was a great bunch with Tex Birdwell, Paul Nafziger, Tom Flannery, and Admiral Brown down there. We stole the bull off the roof at the Belvedere across from the main gate one night after a bit of "attitude adjustment". Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt |
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'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke.
AKA the "Trusty Tubbyjet." We're retiring them as Intermediate Strike trainers this summer. Last class is pretty much through instruments ... Fam, Form, Guns, and FCLP to go. We're running a TPS class now to get their NATOPS qual before checking in up at Pax River. Interesting group with several foreign cross-training guys. I had a Dutch F-16 driver for his first cockpit intro EP hop. Great OCF airplane, but I suspect they're limiting the number of three-axis departures per hop to stretch the service life. A far cry from my VF-126 hop when Farkle and I did 3 lomcevak's for dessert ... the last with a healthy negative G spike. We tried out the T-2 in ACM. Pushed the A-4 all around the sky. T-2 versus T-37 would be no sweat. Two J-85's versus two J-69's ... a far better energy package. Now the A-37 ... R / John |
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