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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:03:16 -0500, Matt Whiting wrote: I'd have to go back and check the regs to be sure, but I don't recall that the safety pilot has to act as PIC or even should do so. Your recollection is correct. The safety pilot does not even have to be qualified to act as PIC in VFR conditions! The don't even need to be qualified to act as PIC in *ANY* conditions (unless they are PIC). All it takes is category and class (and type if appropriate) and a medical. |
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
That is incorrect. The safety pilot does not even have to be qualified to act as PIC under VFR! ....unless the safety pilot wants to log the time as PIC. Otherwise, just retain PIC, use a safety pilot rated in category and class and all is well. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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As long as you have met the IFR 6 month requirement for passenagers
or current IFR, should be not problem. You may want to clear your safty pilot with your insurance company. Anything happens, even during taxing, the safty pilot is responsible. Avemco told me this bit of information. |
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5pguy wrote:
As long as you have met the IFR 6 month requirement for passenagers or current IFR, should be not problem. You may want to clear your safty pilot with your insurance company. Anything happens, even during taxing, the safty pilot is responsible. Avemco told me this bit of information. What 6 month requirement for passengers? Matt |
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Regs require IFR pilots to fly 6 approaches, a hold and follow a VOR
every 6 months to remain current. If you do this, you are allowed to have passengers while in IMC. This is legal. If you are outside "current" ; meaning 6 months and 1 day since you last fullfilled reg 61.57(c), then you can only fullfill this reg while in VFR conditions. So, if a pilot is "in and out" of IMC while doing their 6 approaches and they are outside of the 6 month period and they have a safty pilot aboard, that pilot is not flying within the regs. This is what I was referring to for passengers. Your safty pilot is a passenager, even thou they are PIC. That's my understanding. If you are outside of reg 61.57(c) (6 months, 6 approaches, hold and following the VOR), then you must remain in VRF conditions. While talking to the insurance company, they informed me of the following in general conversation... The safty pilot is PIC and if I were taxing and dinged another aircraft, the safty pilot is responsible. Also, I was told that the safty pilot must be "ok'd" by us ( the insurance company) prior you your flight. So, I contact my club. They then told me that I can not simply asking another VFR pilot who is current to fly with me as a safty pilot. I think we were all told in IFR training, that any VFR current pilot of type aircraft was ok to use. The club said that I must get someone from the club to be a safty piloty and yes, it must be cleared by the club first. So I figured that if the club must ok it first, then the insurance company must have cleared a list of safty pilots for that club. Check it out with our insurance provider. |
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Reg 61.57(c). The 6 approaches, a hold and follow a VOR every 6 months
to remaind current for your IFR rating. |
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Regs require IFR pilots to fly 6 approaches, a hold and follow a VOR
every 6 months to remain current. If you do this, you are allowed to have passengers while in IMC In the US, if you do not do this, you may not fly in IMC or under IFR even in VMC (though you may fly VFR with a safety pilot and do practice approaches in VMC). Passengers have nothing to do with it. There is a separate reg for takeoffs and landings - in the US you must do (or "one" must have done) three takeoffs =and= landings in order to be able to carry passengers. If you haven't done this, you can still fly solo. Jose -- Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Assuming you're talking about a typical single engine aircraft, or any
other that only requires one crew member, the one operating the controls would be pic while taxiing regardless of what you plan on doing the rest of the flight. The safety pilot is just a passenger when you don't have the hood on (I'm assuming you don't wear it for taxi lol) because the safety pilot is not a required crew member at this time. This is my understanding based on what I have been taught. 5pguy wrote: As long as you have met the IFR 6 month requirement for passenagers or current IFR, should be not problem. You may want to clear your safty pilot with your insurance company. Anything happens, even during taxing, the safty pilot is responsible. Avemco told me this bit of information. |
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On 18 Dec 2004 21:24:47 -0800, "5pguy" wrote:
My comments are related to US rules (Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations) only. Regs require IFR pilots to fly 6 approaches, a hold and follow a VOR every 6 months to remain current. Not quite. There is no requirement to "follow a VOR". You are probably thinking of the requirement to intercept and track a course using navigation systems. There is no requirement that the navigation system be a VOR. If you do this, you are allowed to have passengers while in IMC. Not necessarily. The rules for carrying passengers are different from the rules for acting as PIC under IFR. If you have not done at least three takeoffs and landings in the preceding 90 days, you would not be allowed to have passengers in IMC even if you are current instruments as you describe. If you are outside "current"; meaning 6 months and 1 day since you last fullfilled reg 61.57(c), then you can only fullfill this reg while in VFR conditions. Again, not quite. There is no requirement in the regs that currency must be done in VFR conditions. You are probably confused by the fact that this non-current pilot cannot act as PIC under IFR. This prohibition would be true regardless of the weather conditions. However, there is no requirement that this pilot be acting as PIC when fulfilling the currency requirement for flying IFR. So, if a pilot is "in and out" of IMC while doing their 6 approaches and they are outside of the 6 month period and they have a safty pilot aboard, that pilot is not flying within the regs. Again, not quite. There is nothing in the regulations precluding the safety pilot from being designated as PIC under these circumstances (provided the SP is qualified to do so). If that is the case, there is no regulation being broken. This is what I was referring to for passengers. Your safty pilot is a passenager, even thou they are PIC. That's my understanding. Your understanding is incorrect. If anyone is a passenger, it would be the pilot flying, not the non-flying PIC. If you are outside of reg 61.57(c) (6 months, 6 approaches, hold and following the VOR), then you must remain in VRF conditions. Again, there is no FAR requiring this. While talking to the insurance company, they informed me of the following in general conversation... The safty pilot is PIC and if I were taxing and dinged another aircraft, the safty pilot is responsible. Also, I was told that the safty pilot must be "ok'd" by us ( the insurance company) prior you your flight. That is purely an insurance company regulation without basis in the FAR's. My insurer does have an open pilot specification. Many do, some don't. So, I contact my club. They then told me that I can not simply asking another VFR pilot who is current to fly with me as a safty pilot. I think we were all told in IFR training, that any VFR current pilot of type aircraft was ok to use. The club said that I must get someone from the club to be a safty piloty and yes, it must be cleared by the club first. So I figured that if the club must ok it first, then the insurance company must have cleared a list of safty pilots for that club. Check it out with our insurance provider. Again, these are club rules, or insurance company rules, without basis in the FAR's. As a matter of fact, if you are doing your instrument currency requirements under VFR, then (under US FAR's), the safety pilot does NOT have to be current. He merely has to be rated in category and class, and have a current medical. He does NOT require, for example, a high-performance endorsement; passenger carrying currency (3 takeoffs and landings within 90 days); tail wheel endorsement; etc. --ron |
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