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Peter R. wrote:
The FAA's website lists this pilot as a non-instrument rated, newly certificated private pilot. Actually, the "date of issue" listed on the FAA website doesn't necessarily reflect the time when someone is first issued a grade of certificate for the ratings listed. Anytime FAA re-issues the same certificate for any reason (name change, certificate number change to remove SSI, etc) the DOI will change on the airman record. I know this from my personal experience (twice). This is in no way a defense of Mr. DUCATTE's VFR into IMC stunt, however. |
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M wrote:
Actually, the "date of issue" listed on the FAA website doesn't necessarily reflect the time when someone is first issued a grade of certificate for the ratings listed. Anytime FAA re-issues the same certificate for any reason (name change, certificate number change to remove SSI, etc) the DOI will change on the airman record. Yep, you are correct. My mistake. -- Peter |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:19:02 -0700, Newps wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote: He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with the FSDO as well. Why would you think that? Are you asking about the first or second part of my statement. The second. What interest would the FAA have in the instructor? Oh they do, they do.... Low time pilot, big time screw up. They are most likely going to want to have a talk with the instructor. We've had that happen a couple of times in the past few years and the screw up weren't nearly that bad. No one was hurt and the airplanes could be reused...after a bit of work. Both a 150 and a 172 had shoulders put in the wings and another 150 was totaled all from the same FBO which was really hard on his insurance rates. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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"M" wrote in message ups.com... Peter R. wrote: The FAA's website lists this pilot as a non-instrument rated, newly certificated private pilot. Actually, the "date of issue" listed on the FAA website doesn't necessarily reflect the time when someone is first issued a grade of certificate for the ratings listed. Anytime FAA re-issues the same certificate for any reason (name change, certificate number change to remove SSI, etc) the DOI will change on the airman record. I know this from my personal experience (twice). This is in no way a defense of Mr. DUCATTE's VFR into IMC stunt, however. That's true. But the original story led said he was a fairly new pilot or words to that effect. |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: "601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message ... john smith wrote: Family’s faith stronger after plane crash Worthington couple, kids walk away after aircraft goes down in North Carolina fog Monday, January 01, 2007 Mr. Ducatte, a chemist at Battelle, has a basic pilot’s license and has been flying a few years. He said he is thankful for his flight instructor, Chuck Miele. He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with the FSDO as well. From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the way? The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps, r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a reaction. I guess they got away with it. VFR over the top here in the states is quite common. But, I will aggree, he has a real problem with getthereitis. Lucky a whole bunch of people didn't end up dead. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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"Roger" wrote in message
... On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: "601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message ... ... He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with the FSDO as well. From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the way? The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps, r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a reaction. I guess they got away with it. VFR over the top here in the states is quite common. So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck ran out? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Roger" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: "601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message ... ... He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with the FSDO as well. From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the way? The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps, r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a reaction. I guess they got away with it. VFR over the top here in the states is quite common. So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck ran out? Because it sounded like the descended through an area of less than VFR visibility (maybe even through a cloud layer, I don't recall the specifics) and crashed. That has nothing to do wtih flying VFR above a cloud layer. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote: "Roger" wrote in message ... ... So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck ran out? Because it sounded like the descended through an area of less than VFR visibility (maybe even through a cloud layer, I don't recall the specifics) and crashed. That has nothing to do wtih flying VFR above a cloud layer. "A recorded message from the Asheville airport said there was 1,000 feet of clearance between the clouds and ground." So he is a moron, should have his ticket yanked, etc. etc. because his luck ran out and he didn't find the VFR he was expecting? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote: "Roger" wrote in message ... ... So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck ran out? Because it sounded like the descended through an area of less than VFR visibility (maybe even through a cloud layer, I don't recall the specifics) and crashed. That has nothing to do wtih flying VFR above a cloud layer. "A recorded message from the Asheville airport said there was 1,000 feet of clearance between the clouds and ground." So he is a moron, should have his ticket yanked, etc. etc. because his luck ran out and he didn't find the VFR he was expecting? Funny, I don't flight plan with luck as a requirement for a successful outcome. To me anyone who does that shouldn't be a pilot so that is reason enough to yank his ticket. Anyone flying VFR over the top should have a pretty good plan B and probably a plan C as well. My plan B is being instrument rated, but since he wasn't, he should have had another plan B such as VMC elsewhere within range of his airplane. Matt Matt |
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Matt Whiting schrieb:
Because it sounded like the descended through an area of less than VFR visibility (maybe even through a cloud layer, I don't recall the specifics) and crashed. No, it clearly sonded that he tried to stay on top but was washed down into the soup. That has nothing to do wtih flying VFR above a cloud layer. That has everything to do with flying VFR above a cloud layer. |
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