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Should I be scared of Maxwell's interest in testicles?
"Lorrill Buyens" wrote in message
... On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:49:56 +0000 (UTC), Dread Pirate Bertie the Bunyip , Scourge of the alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Seas, yo-ho-hoed: Daedalus wrote in m: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:37:28 -0400, Kali wrote: In , Daedalus said: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in news:9pu314hifag2qone2bodhf7vkbtf590qko@4ax. com: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:29:05 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in news:61p314h7nsk13qmnqdf94ch3pq56u6i24k@4a x.com: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:06:40 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:hZaQj.11651$3N1.4340 @newsfe17.lga: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message ... dgs wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: I don't exceed weight limits. You don't fly, numbnuts. Just as he's never gone up, his testicles have never come down. Hell of a good point Mort, must be a lesson there...... Boggle. Scrabble Twister Sorry Stratego! Risk! Life! Candyland! Chutes and Ladders! Pictionary! Rickety Kate! -- alt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top Assholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" asserting that his mind does not exist. |
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Should I be scared of Maxwell's interest in testicles?
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:49:56 +0000 (UTC), Dread Pirate Bertie the Bunyip
, Scourge of the alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Seas, yo-ho-hoed: Daedalus wrote in : On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:37:28 -0400, Kali wrote: In , Daedalus said: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in om: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:29:05 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in news:61p314h7nsk13qmnqdf94ch3pq56u6i24k@4ax .com: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:06:40 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:hZaQj.11651$3N1.4340 @newsfe17.lga: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message ... dgs wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: I don't exceed weight limits. You don't fly, numbnuts. Just as he's never gone up, his testicles have never come down. Hell of a good point Mort, must be a lesson there...... Boggle. Scrabble Twister Sorry Stratego! Risk! Life! Candyland! Chutes and Ladders! Pictionary! -- Lorrill Buyens MHM: 9x1; Smeeter: #21; WSD: #3; Gutter Chix0r: #19 Alcatroll Labs; Sex, Drugs and Rock 'n' Roll Division "dsysm, its sooooo smooth and clesr." - Dave Hillstrom's ringing endorsement of mead, in aav3f |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
WingFlaps wrote:
On Apr 17, 9:53 pm, tman inv@lid wrote: Flown C172's for quite a while, and never had anybody in the back. Now I'm planning on quite a trip, with 2 pax and luggage. When I fill the fuel to the *tabs*, calc everyone's weight honestly and consider baggage -- I'm 75 lbs over the 2450 gross on departure. Maybe 100 over gross if I assume a "lie about weight" factor or some inaccuracy with filling the tanks. Now I'm scratching my head about just how risky this is. I know (others) have pushed over gross in these planes way more under worse conditions, and have almost always gotten away with it. I'm inclined to just do it, and be cognizant that it will perform differently, i.e. don't expect the same picture on climbout that you would when solo. Hang on a moment 2 pax and baggage and you are over a 2450 172 MTOW? I've done a few miles with 2 PAX and never had a weight problem. How much baggage are they bringing? How much do they weigh? Cheers Well, not that I have ever actually known anyone who has flown overgross :-), but I have heard that very often they will fly just fine. I would be concerned about CG, make sure you know your plane very well. BTW if you offer to meet some folks from Usenet to fly to some fly-in make sure you ask how much they weigh before the event. Imagine someone's surprise when TWO LARGE individuals show up to catch a ride to a fly-in. Margy |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
gliderguynj wrote:
So how is the conversation going to go?...Listen, I've never flown with passengers in the back before. The plane is also over the legal limit, but I think the numbers aren't too bad. Unless of course you really aren't the 200lb you claim and are more like 225lbs.... and the luggage is heavier than we think. Maybe I should use a scale and actually see what the weight being put in the plane really is....Nah,,,,but anyway, I posted it online, and everyone said we should be OK because those funny engineers put in a fudge factor, so the numbers listed don't really need to be followed..... It's not like Burt Rutan is flying his buddies to the Hilton Ranch... With all due respect to the original poster, I'd really reconsider this outing as planned.... For a really long time our ritual before OSH was to get the bathroom scale out and put it in the living room. We would then weigh and record each piece of baggage we were taking with us and carefully calculate where everything went. Now we know, tent goes on the floor behind the front seats, heavy suitcases become the "passengers" on the back seat (still weigh a lot less than a person), case of wine, pillows, sleeping bags and aluminum chairs in the baggage compartment (no fuel in baggage tank). We are under gross, within WB and can usually see out the back window :-) If I was taking something very different or flying a different plane, the scale would come out again. Margy |
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Should I be scared of Maxwell's interest in testicles?
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Lorrill Buyens wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:49:56 +0000 (UTC), Dread Pirate Bertie the Bunyip , Scourge of the alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Seas, yo-ho-hoed: Daedalus wrote in : On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:37:28 -0400, Kali wrote: In , Daedalus said: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in om: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:29:05 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Daedalus wrote in news:61p314h7nsk13qmnqdf94ch3pq56u6i24k@4ax .com: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:06:40 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:hZaQj.11651$3N1.4340 @newsfe17.lga: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message ... dgs wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: I don't exceed weight limits. You don't fly, numbnuts. Just as he's never gone up, his testicles have never come down. Hell of a good point Mort, must be a lesson there...... Boggle. Scrabble Twister Sorry Stratego! Risk! Life! Candyland! Chutes and Ladders! Pictionary! silver hammer arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins sacramento - political pigsty of the western world or a babys arm holding an apple |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
Blanche wrote:
Michael wrote: On Apr 17, 1:54 pm, WingFlaps wrote: Are you saying you don't do a MAUW test flight in your training? That is exactly what he is saying. It's also pretty normal these days to get a license in a 4-seater (Skyhawk or Warrior) without ever having anyone in the back seat or coming anywhere near gross weight. Midway thru the PPL my CFI took me out on a hot afternoon with full tanks and someone in the back (C172). All we did was pattern work to "illustrate" weight, density altitude and me being miserable in a greenhouse aircraft. One of the best lessons of my life! Yeah, we used to be "ballast" for my instructor showing other folks what "real life" was all about. He wouldn't sign anyone off until they had some "minimal vis" (i.e. elementary scud running), horrific crosswinds, Max gross wieght, etc. He said "the first thing PPL's do is take 3 of thier buddies out for a flight and screw it in". He was a bit over the top, but that initial, excellent training has saved my butt a few times. Margy |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
m... Blanche wrote: Michael wrote: On Apr 17, 1:54 pm, WingFlaps wrote: Are you saying you don't do a MAUW test flight in your training? That is exactly what he is saying. It's also pretty normal these days to get a license in a 4-seater (Skyhawk or Warrior) without ever having anyone in the back seat or coming anywhere near gross weight. Midway thru the PPL my CFI took me out on a hot afternoon with full tanks and someone in the back (C172). All we did was pattern work to "illustrate" weight, density altitude and me being miserable in a greenhouse aircraft. One of the best lessons of my life! Yeah, we used to be "ballast" for my instructor showing other folks what "real life" was all about. He wouldn't sign anyone off until they had some "minimal vis" (i.e. elementary scud running), horrific crosswinds, Max gross wieght, etc. He said "the first thing PPL's do is take 3 of thier buddies out for a flight and screw it in". He was a bit over the top, but that initial, excellent training has saved my butt a few times. Margy One of my instructors did a lot of that as well--although he didn't verbalize it quite so colorfully. Actually, if he also fully briefed and debriefed each flight for all present, including the "ballast" observers, it would have created a dramatically more efficient learning experience. My instructor didn't rise to quite that level; but I have heard that there are/were schools where they do--at least at the corporate jet level and above. Peter |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
On Apr 18, 12:21 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes: That video has nothing to do with the OP's question. Clearly you are just trolling. The aircraft was overweight, and everyone on board died in the crash that resulted from that. I knew that people would argue with me just because I'm the one who made the point. Thank goodness I don't have to fly with people like that in the pilot's seat. That kind of "rules don't count" attitude is one of the danger signs for pilot safety. Well well. The header is for and we've been discussing -Cessna 172's- Lo and behold your claim for an overloaded aircraft is wrong. The aircraft is a C182 on a medical evacuation For your information Anthony a C182 is also a 4 seater but with a useful load of over 1000lbs And there is no way from that video that the aircraft is anywhere near overloaded. The pilot got onto the backside of the power curve and couldn't recover... Next time check your claim for factual content before posting eh |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
george writes:
The header is for and we've been discussing -Cessna 172's- Lo and behold your claim for an overloaded aircraft is wrong. The aircraft is a C182 on a medical evacuation All aircraft present similar risks when overweight. For your information Anthony a C182 is also a 4 seater but with a useful load of over 1000lbs And there is no way from that video that the aircraft is anywhere near overloaded. Did you see all the equipment in the aircraft? Next time check your claim for factual content before posting eh What was your source for this incident? |
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Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross
Mxsmanic wrote in
: george writes: The header is for and we've been discussing -Cessna 172's- Lo and behold your claim for an overloaded aircraft is wrong. The aircraft is a C182 on a medical evacuation All aircraft present similar risks when overweight. For your information Anthony a C182 is also a 4 seater but with a useful load of over 1000lbs And there is no way from that video that the aircraft is anywhere near overloaded. Did you see all the equipment in the aircraft? Next time check your claim for factual content before posting eh What was your source for this incident? What's your's fjuuuktard? Bertie |
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