Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

The point is that someone said that Bush volunteered for Viet Nam, but there
is
a document extant that shows he -did-not- volunteer for overseas assignment
at
one point.


Why is that a point worth debating?

It seems to be a false statement.

Walt

Smartace11 wrote:



You guys are trying to put way too much spin in this. GWB followed a path that
others that I knew did either by choice, political influence, or luck of the
draw. Algore clearly did the same with his assignment as a press officer. A
two star I worked for did his tour as a navigator (!!) on a T-39 Learjet (c/s
Scatback) that ferried between Clark Air Base Phillipines, Saigon, and the Thai
bases. Flying a Deuce was far more dangerous in any circumstances.


Minor nit-pick. The (C)T-39 was the Sabreliner. Learjets didn't come
into AF service until the 1980's, replacing the Sabreliner in many
instances. The Navy still flies T-39s.

Mike Williamson

"Smartace11" wrote in message
...

You guys are trying to put way too much spin in this. GWB followed a
path that others that I knew did either by choice, political influence, or
luck of the draw. Algore clearly did the same with his assignment as a
press officer.


Gore was not an officer.



A two star I worked for did his tour as a navigator (!!) on a T-39 Learjet
(c/s
Scatback) that ferried between Clark Air Base Phillipines, Saigon, and the
Thai
bases.


T-39 Sabreliner.

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (Smartace11)

Steve Mellenthin
2000 hrs F-4C/D/E/RF
270 Missions SEA 72-74
Repubican

Wow. More missions than me and Ed combined. You are now head warrior of this
NG. Congrats.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (Smartace11)


snip

A
two star I worked for did his tour as a navigator (!!) on a T-39 Learjet (c/s
Scatback) that ferried between Clark Air Base Phillipines, Saigon, and the
Thai
bases.

Not to be difficult, but the T-39 Sabreliner was made by Rockwell.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(Smartace11) wrote in message ...


Why is that a point worth debating?


It is only worth debating when someone makes a claim beyond historical
reality.

...
You guys are trying to put way too much spin in this.
GWB followed a path that
others that I knew did either by choice, political
influence, or luck of the
draw. Algore clearly did the same with his assignment
as a press officer.

The fact that Al Gore could read and write probably helped but
your point is well made.


To me the only thing that is totally unfathomable is why a decorated Vietnam
vet would hook up with the likes of Jane Fonda and her crowd to protest the war
unless it was to gain political traction under a Republican president.


Politics does make for strange bedfellows. But also keep in in mind
when it was that Kerry left the Vietnam Veterans Against the War to
run for office.

--

FF

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

A link:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif


Your link does not say that.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

A link:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif


Your link does not say that.

When I clicked the link and scrolled down it shows a box outlined in red that
says:

"I do/do not volunteer for overseas service."

Bush checked "Do not".

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote
"WalterM140" wrote

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

A link:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif


Your link does not say that.

When I clicked the link and scrolled down it shows a box outlined in red that
says:

"I do/do not volunteer for overseas service."

Bush checked "Do not".

That has nothing to do with "Vietnam." Maybe he didn't want to go to Korea,
or Germany. I never ever volunteered for overseas. It came fast enough on its
own. If you look at my military records (dream sheets) they will all say I was
a non-volunteer for overseas. Yet I served 8 years overseas.

"D. Strang" wrote in message
news:eydIc.22529$r3.13007@okepread03...

That has nothing to do with "Vietnam." Maybe he didn't want to go to
Korea,
or Germany. I never ever volunteered for overseas. It came fast enough
on its
own. If you look at my military records (dream sheets) they will all say
I was
a non-volunteer for overseas. Yet I served 8 years overseas.


How meaningful is that anyway for a Guard member? Wouldn't you go wherever
your unit is sent, regardless of your volunteer status?