Gary IN to CVG?

Everett M. Greene wrote:
I thought the FAA's job is to properly handle /all/ aircraft.

Well, presumably they will. Just with a bad attitude.

I think it's pretty funny how certain ATC locations have noticeably
negative personalities. But on second thought, it's not surprising.
It's a job, offices have 'cultures', and management quality varies.
Fortunately they have a pretty well defined set of operating procedures
to follow and plenty of controls so as long as they get it done, what's
the problem?

Charlotte used to be kind of funky in this pilot's book but that's long
gone. Maybe a little hub downsizing gets everyone's attention. Great
place now. Savannah usually managed to seem nasty for no apparent
reason. Probably an a--h--- manager or 2, who knows.

Yes it is. And as I said, when something *really* matters, they do it
well, regardless of whether you are an A340 or a Cherokee. But there is
a reason a Class B airport is a Class B airport. And while,
theoretically, a 152 on an IFR training flight is no 'different' from a
767 with a full load of passengers, the realities *are* different.

The guys at CVG don't want a 172 mixing with their big iron. And I
can't blame them. Their job is to help ensure the safe and efficient
operations in and out of their airport, and 75 knots just doesn't mix
well with 180 knots. They know there are 3 perfectly good GA airports
within 25 miles. If you are GA, it seems that they want you to use
them. They also know that that 777 costs $15,000 an hour to operate,
and making him miss because he can't slow down enough and the 172 ahead
of him can't speed up enough is going to cause all kinds of headaches.

It's like most other things in aviation operations. If an approach
controller is pretty certain you know your stuff (i.e. you're a freight
dog, and he recognizes your tail number or call sign) he may well give
you a different approach (i.e. slam you in right at the marker, between
traffic) than if he thinks you are a 'random' or inexperienced GA IFR
pilot (i.e. stick you in a hold until everything is clear, then give
easy vectors out to the boonies to get you established). And can you
blame him?

I'm not saying the OP *can't* go into CVG. Obviously he can, and he
seems to have a very good reason for choosing CVG over Lunken. But I am
saying is that these guys have a job to do, and random GA planes flying
PLAs into their airport can make their jobs harder. They don't like it,
and they make that known.

Cheers,

Cap

File VFR and talk to them before the Class B. Follow their vectors to the T
and be professional and courteous to them on the radio. Keep your speed up
as long as you can.

If you have an issue with a controller, get his initials and call his
supervisor when you land.

I don't recall anything that says some big shot in a jet has a higher
priority reason to land there than you do. That's why it's called a public
airport.

"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
ps.com...
Considering a flight into CVG, which is Class B and would appreciate
some insight from the group.
1. The IFR routing with STAR is very circuitous - better to file VFR?
2. Reservation required? Flight will be on Saturday.

Any other tips - FBO, etc? Piper Arrow.

"John Doe" wrote in message
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I don't recall anything that says some big shot in a jet has a higher
priority reason to land there than you do. That's why it's called a
public airport.

Of course they have a higher priority. They have 100+ passengers, they are
trying to make a schedule, their fuel costs more than your plane, they fly
at speeds that match the local traffic, they are almost always perfect at
low IFR approaches - they fit in the system that was designed for them. You
don't. If you want to use a Class B, go for it. But don't get ****ed off
when you get vectored for half an hour to fit you into the pattern - that's
like getting angry that New York has more traffic than Peoria. It's just
part of the environment.

And, by the way, if you get upset at the approach end, wait until you have
to wait on line to depart behind 18 stinking jets at 105 degrees because you
couldn't get the taxi clearance you wanted. Sure, we have every right to fly
in and out of Class Bs. Sometimes, like in the case of the OP, it probably
makes sense. But 99% of the time life is much easier landing at one of the
local GA airports.

Michael

Lunken airport is only 12 miles from CVG, more GA friendly and is closer
to downtown. CVG is actually in Kentucky. Unless you have a specific
reason to go to CVG, I would choose LUK.


"Michael 182" wrote in
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"John Doe" wrote in message
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I don't recall anything that says some big shot in a jet has a higher
priority reason to land there than you do. That's why it's called a
public airport.

Of course they have a higher priority. They have 100+ passengers, they
are trying to make a schedule, their fuel costs more than your plane,
they fly at speeds that match the local traffic, they are almost
always perfect at low IFR approaches - they fit in the system that was
designed for them. You don't. If you want to use a Class B, go for it.
But don't get ****ed off when you get vectored for half an hour to fit
you into the pattern - that's like getting angry that New York has
more traffic than Peoria. It's just part of the environment.

And, by the way, if you get upset at the approach end, wait until you
have to wait on line to depart behind 18 stinking jets at 105 degrees
because you couldn't get the taxi clearance you wanted. Sure, we have
every right to fly in and out of Class Bs. Sometimes, like in the case
of the OP, it probably makes sense. But 99% of the time life is much
easier landing at one of the local GA airports.

Michael

Not knowing all this I arranged to be dropped off there to catch
af flight by my client in a BE-35.

No problem at all. Saturday afternoon as I recall.

Bill Hale