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Pete Smith s comments read:
Amazing how a congratulatory message can be turned into a chat on yank issues. Supprised no-one has mentioned schweizer spam cans. Be glad that they aren't discussing "World Class" -- Tim - ASW20CL "20" |
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"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message ...
"Hank Nixon" wrote... Please provide info to member of the rules comm. as to what rule says that team flying is not allowed in US competition. I have not been able to find such a rule. U.S. National FAI-Class Competition Rules, Contest Year 2003: 10.7.2.7 Relaying of information between aircraft for any reason other than safety is prohibited. This specifically forbids team flying. Team flying happens now- you simply are not aware of it. Somehow, I'm not surprised... Marc Reply: As you might well expect, there are many elements to team flying. One of the more useful is the exchange of information by radio. As noted, this is not permitted in our rules. There are many other elements and techniques that can be used by cooperating pilots to help each other without verbal communication. Those who have flown with and watched the skilled team flyers can see them as obvious. These include cooperative search patterns in both climb and glide, agreement as to lead and follow, waiting for partner so both can stay in the same air, and a variety of other techniques. These occur today and are legal within our rules. It does not involve cheating as you seem to imply. With 2 frequencies available for us to share among ourselves and other users, I suspect it would not be pretty. Those who could team fly with little or no radio communication would simply have the benefit of the portion of radio chatter that is useful and would not use the radio to pass on useful info to others. UH |
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Well... I just wanted to point out that there were some guys who started =
the team flying and made use of it first. Just remind some names like Makula (Edward), Kepka, Popiel, Witek, = Muszczynski and some other Poles whose names I can't remember at the = moment. Just my 2c, Regards, --=20 Janusz Kesik visit www.leszno.pl - home of the www.wgc2003.pl U=BFytkownik Marcel Duenner w wiadomooci do = grup dyskusyjnych = gle.com... (OscarCVox) wrote in message = ... One form of team flying (the form you and most are probably thinking of) is the close team where the two gliders are rarely or never more than a few hundred meters apart. The extreme variant: If for some reason the gap gets too big, the one ahead waits (even deploys spoilers!) for the other to catch up. If one has to outland, the other will join him. Successful examples: French team at the WGC in Wiener Neustadt, the Frei brothers who won the pre-Worlds in Bayreuth. They tied for first place twice in the Swiss Nationals. |
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On 12 Aug 2003 07:51:10 -0700, Kirk Stant wrote:
hard time getting any of them to join our club and fly our G-102 (GPS, glide computer, O2, XC encouraged, 20$/hour or $500/year all you can fly!) - they mostly seem to want to grind around in 2-33s or 1-26s until they get bored or run out of money, then we never see them again. I noticed this sort of thing when I lived in Houston as a member of the SCOH. They had a 2-33, several Blaniks, and a Grob 103. The 2-33 and Blaniks were difficult to schedule during the flying season. I was learning gliders at the time, and I decided to schedule the under-used G103 instead. Instantly, my scheduling woes were gone. I couldn't figure out why no one would fly the ship - it flew nicely, thermalled well, and as a consequence of no one scheduling it, I had a couple of very enjoyable multi-hour soaring flights whilst working on my ticket, including a couple of memorable flights where I got it slow enough in a thermal to go around with the hawks. Admittedly, I like the Blaniks too, they handle very nicely even if they aren't a cross country machine (and living where I do now, it's more important to have something that will thermal on a fart rather than the latest 50:1 super glass). But the 2-33? Very nostalgic and all that, bit it steers like a cow. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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Why have we decided to restrict team flying in US competition?
Bill Snead 6W |
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Congratulations to the British Team! Their placings were well
deserved. Regarding team flying, I had the good fortune to team fly with Peter Harvey (Open Class) at Leszno, and yes we formed a cross-cultural "team." Since Open Class is presently restricted to one pilot per country, any team flying had to be international. Peter took the initiative to help me on a day that went blue. Next day I was in front and relayed what I hope was valuable info to him. But it should be understood that it was a matter of timely coincidence and convenience and since we knew each other's radio frequencies, we were able to communicate to our mutual benefit. Peter placed 4th and I was 5th, but I promise that our final placings were not changed as a result of "teaming up." Team flying is not absolutely vital it seems. Consider this outcome. The pilot that won with the largest margin (points and percentage) in any class was Holger Karow (Open). Look at the start times and you will see that generally, he went early -- often alone -- read clouds and made good decisions. I assume that Holger received whatever ground-based information the German team had which may have been more useful than a teammate on a wingtip. I flew with Holger enough to know that our decisions would have changed little if we were talking things over. In my experience, the benefits from team flying are generally minor and very definitely dependant on the situation. It is some use in dicey weird weather but in good weather a lot of team flying goes as follows: "I'm over here...Where are you?" It is more distraction than benefit. |
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