Superior HK XM8 Kicks M4's Ass

In message , robert
arndt writes
(B2431) wrote in message
...
Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to
catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44

No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.

and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

From: "tw"
Date: 7/6/2004 4:06 AM Central Daylight Time

This is what has me confused I think - so there is the M1 Garand (which
never seemed to have a magazine - that tallies with Paul's description of
the 8 round charger) then there was a carbine which looked rather like my
old BSA Meteor air rifle with what looked like a 20 round box magazine.

OK, it looks like a definition is needed here. The garand DOES have a
magazine.
it is internal. Think of magazines as the part that holds the ammunition. Bolt
action rifles like the Remington 700 have internal magazines and lever actions
like use tubular magazines.

A clip, like the 8 round clip for the garand and stripper clips for M-14, M-1
carbine, M-16, SMLEs etc are used to LOAD magazines.

As an aside my garand is a very low, less than 500, serial number. I'm
collecting parts to restore it to its original gas trap system.

Mine's a 1943 Springfield build, and I'm thinking of doing the conversion
to .308 like the Navy did for their National Match guns.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

From: (Harry Andreas)
Date: 7/6/2004 6:13 PM Central Daylight


As an aside my garand is a very low, less than 500, serial number. I'm
collecting parts to restore it to its original gas trap system.

Mine's a 1943 Springfield build, and I'm thinking of doing the conversion
to .308 like the Navy did for their National Match guns.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

Pic your parts carefully, measure carefully, get a pull through NM chamber
reamer and above all else take your time. If you lived close enough I'd loan
you my action wrench. That's the easy part. Just remember bedding the action is
an art.

One thing to check on your op rod is for the cut out where the handle meets the
rod. It's there because the old style which didn't have it would break if the
op rod came far enough back to strike the front of the receiver.

Good luck with your project.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

robert arndt wrote:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob

Where's the bayonet go?

Cheers,
Richard

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , robert
arndt writes
(B2431) wrote in message
...
Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to
catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44

No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.

Sorry, Mauser issued the first automatic rifles Flieger Selbslader
Karbiner in 1915 as aircraft observers guns. These were followed by
the experimental infantry Model 16 in 1916. The very first Mauser
experimental rifles were tested in 1908... well before the Avtomat.
(From the Encyclopedia of Firearms by Ian V. Hogg)

and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Rob

p.s. Nice try

Richard Stewart wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob

Where's the bayonet go?

Cheers,
Richard

Take a look he
http://sys.heatgame.net/Public/News/hk-g36-strip.jpg

Interestingly enough, the HK G-36 (which the XM-8 is derived from)
actually uses the old AK-74 bayonets left over from the NVA stock! Had
the HK G-11 rifle been adopted the evolutionary bayonet for it was
going to be a ballistic tube-launched device. This was in the design
stage when the hand-guard version, single rail model was testing.

Rob

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!


Well stolen or captured German technology was 100 years ahead of US technology
in 1945,so the term UFO nededed to be invented here.
Germans do not need to play by the pragmatical rules of Anglos,they only need
to remember time proven "Preussian tugenden".

If they do it,75 years old scientific and cultural ice age would end and world
could expreience another reneissance in Sciences,Culture and Arts.
Such an outcome is beneficial to all human race,including Anglos.

From: (robert arndt)


snip

Interestingly enough, the HK G-36 (which the XM-8 is derived from)
actually uses the old AK-74 bayonets left over from the NVA stock!

Oh? And just when did the North Vietnamese Army get the AK-74? And why would an
industrial giant like Germany need to use someone else's bayonet? Are you
saying Hk made bayonets for the NVA when the could be made much cheaper behind
the Iron Curtain?

Does the X in XM8 mean "experimental?" How many have actually been used in
combat?

Do you have any other sources that the company brochures?

When will you establish a link between an infantry weapon and military
aviation?

How much of this will you choose not to answer?

Actually I don't really care, I just find you amusing and feel sorry for your
inferiority complex.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
on 5 Jul 2004 02:16:43 -0700,
robert arndt attempted to say .....

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!


from the manufacuers web site ???


hahahahahahaahhaa



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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article ,
on Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:33:17 +0100,
Paul J. Adam attempted to say .....

In message , tw
writes
I've always wondered, what are the differences between the M1, the M1 Garand
and the M14?

M1 rifle was named the Garand: chambered for .30-06 and feeding from an
eight-shot charger.

M14 was very similar, but was chambered in 7.62mm NATO, used a
twenty-round box magazine, and in some versions had a full-auto
capability (little used and often deleted)

Is it just cosmetic stuff like magazine capacity, barrel length
and shape of the stock etc, or is there a big difference in the action?

/*obligatory nationalist point scoring to be taken with pinch of salt*/
Of course, the SLR kicked both their arses, and the Lee-Enfield was better
still! ;-)

Now, for lethality you want a Martini-Henry

Trapdoor Springfield in 45-100 !


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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.