High wing to low wing converts...or, visa versa?

"xyzzy" wrote in message
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Hilton wrote:
Paul Missman wrote:

I did my training in high wings, and then purchased a low wing after
training.

Though I could go back to a high wing if I had to, I wouldn't want to.

My reasons are as follows:

You don't have to get a ladder to put gas in the tank.


Well, most high-wings I fly do not require a ladder, but I agree low
wings
are better for this; i.e. putting gas in AND verifying the gas level.



You don't loose sight of the airport during turns in the pattern.


I fully agree AND you can see during turns to avoid mid-airs.


People keep saying this like it's a plus for low-wings. It's not. At
the time you guys are complainining that the high-wing blocks your view
of the runway (which isn't moving), you SHOULD be looking out the other
side to make sure you're not turning into the path of an oncoming
airplane -- execpt in a low-wing, that's the view that's blocked.

I hate turning base to final in the Warrior, knowing I can't see if a
plane is coming down final. yes I was watching final while in the base
leg, but I would like to still keep an eye on it while turning because
sometimes you don't see other traffic until you've been looking for a
while


Exactly, I want to see what is coming at me not what is going away from me.

"Newps" wrote, "... Two aircraft with about the same cross sectional area
will drift the same amount in the same wind."

Yes, but wouldn't two aircraft with even extreme differences in cross
sectional area drift the same amount in the same wind?

Jon

You know what I realized? They are ALL good. heck I 've even bought a
scooter.

I was with you, man, all the way up to this point.

You bought a *scooter*? What were you thinking?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

WHA? zipping around NYC on an Road King is kinda fun, but at times a chore.
Head down Park Ave. on a Scaraebo... WooHoO!!
anyway, didn't last very long. It couldn't hack the long hauls, and neither
could my backside on that thing.

I am back to my old favorite, my '96 Virago 1100. My niece told me in no
uncertain terms that I "SHALL NOT!" sell that bike until she is old enough
to get a ride on it (She's 8)

(Note the Dave A. to differentiate from the pack)


--
Dave A
Aging Student Pilot


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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You know what I realized? They are ALL good. heck I 've even bought a
scooter.

I was with you, man, all the way up to this point.

You bought a *scooter*? What were you thinking?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

WHA? zipping around NYC on an Road King is kinda fun, but at times a
chore. Head down Park Ave. on a Scaraebo... WooHoO!!
anyway, didn't last very long. It couldn't hack the long hauls, and
neither could my backside on that thing.

My Gold Wing is a terrific cruise for riding I-80 out to the Black Hills --
but it really, really sucks if you just want to bop on down to a convenience
store. I've often thought a scooter would be a fun little thing to own.

Are they still so danged teetery? The last time I rode one I was scared
shi*less. I couldn't get out of my own way, and felt like I was going to
dump it at every opportunity.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Dave wrote:
This thread sounds remarkably similar to discussions I had about
motorcycles.
Sportbikes vs cruisers, Harleys Vs. Imports.
Funny thing was, after riding for 20 years, off and on at times, I would
occasionally get the bug a by an old bike for $1200.
whatever was available, I bought it just because I had to ride.

You know what I realized? They are ALL good.

True Dave...I'd be happy with a nice C-172, Cherokee, whatever. So long
as I can afford it and it's in decent condition, I'll take it.
When I finally get my private license I don't think I would ever want to get
wrapped up in what is best. I'd be looking forward to what is next.

Definitely agree. Whatever is next is what I'm after. I started out
researching Cardinals and I really like them. My partnership morphed
into a potential Cherokee deal and I was happy with that prospect. The
change to an Arrow is even better. I'm really after my first complex
single so whether the wing is on the top or bottom, it's all logs as
complex time.


I will say this though, I am training in a high wing, but I expect a low
wing in my future, perhaps a Tiger. I can't wait for the transition.


I found the transition to an Archer for my instrument lessons to be a
nice change. As my CFI from my PPL days once told me, anytime you get a
chance to fly something new/different, take advantage of the opportunity.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, Student Arrow Buyer

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

You know what I realized? They are ALL good.

True Dave...I'd be happy with a nice C-172, Cherokee, whatever. So long
as I can afford it and it's in decent condition, I'll take it.

While we all felt that way at first, Jack, I think some of us are trying to
save you from the learning curve that goes with buying that first plane.

My experience seems to be all too typical. We truly thought we'd be happy
with our Warrior forever. I lavished money on it, fixed it up to the "nth"
degree, and -- just four years later -- had to sell it, because my kids were
getting too big.

Well, "had to" is a bit strong -- we could have made do with it. But 300
fpm climb on a hot summer day, and having to stop for fuel on our way to OSH
proved that we had reached the practical limits of a 150 horsepower engine
with four people aboard.

I would have been SO much better off financially, in the long run, to have
bought a Pathfinder/Dakota/Skylane back in '98, rather than taking the
interim step with buying the Warrior. But who knew? I'd never heard of
Usenet, and had no idea that there were so many valuable aircraft ownership
resources available online.

Now, you do. And the Arrow should keep you happy for a long while!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
While we all felt that way at first, Jack, I think some of us are trying to
save you from the learning curve that goes with buying that first plane.

And I definitely appreciate it.

-- had to sell it, because my kids were getting too big.

Hey, I won't have that excuse...done having kids, they're already too
big :-)

Now, you do. And the Arrow should keep you happy for a long while!

Given my longer term aviation goals, I know I'll be happier/more
satisfied with the Arrow vs. a C-172/Cherokee class plane. If, however,
it proved that I couldn't swing something like the Arrow due to
acquisition cost, higher insurance, etc. and had to settle for something
more basic, I'd be ok with it. I'm just happy that things are working
out with the partnership and airplane in the works.

Of course, the big question for this year just may become where to park
at Oshkosh...North-40 or Vintage? :-)

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, Piper Arrow purchasing student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

Of course, the big question for this year just may become where to park at
Oshkosh...North-40 or Vintage? :-)

Now I may get lambasted for this, but I still don't feel that it's "right"
to park a Piper Arrow in the Vintage section -- even if, technically, it's
old enough.

Call me a purist, but there's just something wrong with parking a plane that
looks exactly like a current-production aircraft (because, well, it IS
identical) next to a classic old Navion or Comanche.

In a few years I suppose my Pathfinder will be eligible for "Classic"
parking -- but you'll still find me happily watching departures from my lawn
chair out in the North 40...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Are they still so danged teetery? The last time I rode one I was scared
shi*less. I couldn't get out of my own way, and felt like I was going to
dump it at every opportunity.
--
Jay Honeck

The big difference is that on your Gold Wing you can psychologically feel
safer because you can squeeze your knees together and feel like you are
hanging on somehow. You can't do that on a scooter. Put a knee out in any
way and you think you can fall right off it.
But in reality they both work exactly the same.

--
Dave A
Aging Student Pilot


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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WHA? zipping around NYC on an Road King is kinda fun, but at times a
chore. Head down Park Ave. on a Scaraebo... WooHoO!!
anyway, didn't last very long. It couldn't hack the long hauls, and
neither could my backside on that thing.

My Gold Wing is a terrific cruise for riding I-80 out to the Black
Hills -- but it really, really sucks if you just want to bop on down to a
convenience store. I've often thought a scooter would be a fun little
thing to own.


Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"