Australia's aquisition of cruise missiles

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zalzon wrote:

Umm.. why are you quoting purchases made almost a 1/2 century ago in the
1960s?

Mirage III purchases are old hat.

Doesn't help support of arguments that the Ozzies wouldn't buy from
Europe.

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
zalzon wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:01 -0400, Kevin Brooks wrote:

Why do you identify only the US?

For the simple reason Australia does not buy very much from France or
Europe for that matter. The only expection for big ticket purchase items
I can think of are those Colins subs which weren't from Germany or
France.

Would australia buy a eurofighter? Or a rafale plane?

Australia is firmly in the orbit of the US.

There's no offence intended, only pointing out the obvious.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...977/mar-apr/bu
rt.html

"Three [RAAF] squadrons, Nos. 3, 75, and 77, are equipped with the
French Mirage fighter."

"...over 100 Mirages were built and assembled in Australia under
license."

http://www.scramble.nl/au.htm

RAAF equipment serial numbers list included references to:

- Dassault Mirage III
- Sud Aviation Alouette 3
- Aermacchi MB-326
- Dassault Falcon 20 and Falcon 900
- Pilatus PC-6 and PC-9
- Aerospatiale AS-350

Not counting British kit, it seems they buy European at times.

They've bought from the Frogs in the past, no reason why they might not
do it in future.

Such as the Eurocopter Tigre (Aussie Tiger) and perhaps the NH90.


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In article ,
on Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:41:50 GMT,
zalzon attempted to say .....

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:01 -0400, Kevin Brooks wrote:

Why do you identify only the US?

For the simple reason Australia does not buy very much from France or
Europe for that matter. The only expection for big ticket purchase items
I can think of are those Colins subs which weren't from Germany or France.

Would australia buy a eurofighter? Or a rafale plane?

Australia is firmly in the orbit of the US.

There's no offence intended, only pointing out the obvious.


I guess you missed the Mirage III fighters that Austrailia used to operate.
Or the Leopard tanks they STILL operate...

I see a country that buys what they wish.


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"zalzon" wrote in message
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Considering that indonesia can barely field a capable military and the
rest in SE asia have small militaries, who are these cruise missiles
directed against

Australia has required (and held) a capabilty to bomb Indonesia for decades,
it is considered a vital part of Australias defence capacity (the F-111 spec
was for an a/c that could reach Jakarta carrying nukes) given Indonesia
instability.

The F-111 is going to be phased out around 2010, the cruise missiles are
going to replace that capability.


China perhaps? Could it be in response to countries in the region buying
Su-27/30 long range strike planes?


Nope, Indonesia as above.

My guess is that US arms merchants are looking to do brisk business in SE
Asia but not finding any opportunities. So get australia to start an arms
race in the region (?)

Conspirowhacko nonsense. see above.

Also, what would be in it for Aust? we don't want an arms race in our back
yard, we just need an ability to keep the Indon military from trying to make
Aust their external distraction next time they try to take over their Govt.

"zalzon" wrote in message
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Umm.. why are you quoting purchases made almost a 1/2 century ago in the
1960s?

Mirage III purchases are old hat.


The Centurion, Leopard 1, L1A1 SLR, F88 Austeyr, RBS70, Rapier, Land Rover,
Unimog, Mag 58, Minimi, Anzac Frigates, the new Amphibs (Spanish or French
are the short list IIRC), ASRAAM, Collins Class subs, Eurocopter Tiger, BAE
Hawk, ASLAV.

All non US products.

"zalzon" wrote in message
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Umm.. why are you quoting purchases made almost a 1/2 century ago in the
1960s?

Mirage III purchases are old hat.

You snipped the earlier reference to the Airbus tanker, which last I knew
was a European product. ISTR the Australian Army also bought their latest
rifles from Europe, along with their new Tiger attack helicopters. What does
all of that add up to? Anything but some kind of US monopoly in terms of
Aussie defense procurement.

Brooks

"d" wrote in message ...
what do you mean by u.s. wanting to start an arms race in the region,
they've been doing it for a long time.

Holy crap, has JGG/Aerophotos reemerged with another new moniker?

Brooks


Kevin Brooks wrote:
"zalzon" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:54:41 +1000, The Raven wrote:


snip

Which brings me back to my original theory of US wanting to start an
arms
race in the region. It would boost exports of armaments (particularly
long range airpower) now that demand from the middle east countries has
dried up.


Why do you identify only the US? The French and the Eurofighter
consortium
countries are also madly marketing their weapons worldwide, to include
the
Singapore fighter competition. The RAAF has bought European before, and
IIRC
they just recently chose Airbus for their future tanker needs?

Your "theory" is apparently subject to some significant prejudice you
have,
along with a healthy dose of paranoia.

Brooks

Anzac class frigates based on German Meko 200 frigate design, and system
integrator is Saabtech

"zalzon" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:17:01 -0400, Kevin Brooks wrote:

Why do you identify only the US?

For the simple reason Australia does not buy very much from France or
Europe for that matter. The only expection for big ticket purchase items
I can think of are those Colins subs which weren't from Germany or France.

Would australia buy a eurofighter? Or a rafale plane?

Australia is firmly in the orbit of the US.

what do you mean by u.s. wanting to start an arms race in the region,
they've been doing it for a long time.

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"zalzon" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:54:41 +1000, The Raven wrote:


snip

Which brings me back to my original theory of US wanting to start an arms
race in the region. It would boost exports of armaments (particularly
long range airpower) now that demand from the middle east countries has
dried up.


Why do you identify only the US? The French and the Eurofighter consortium
countries are also madly marketing their weapons worldwide, to include the
Singapore fighter competition. The RAAF has bought European before, and IIRC
they just recently chose Airbus for their future tanker needs?

Your "theory" is apparently subject to some significant prejudice you have,
along with a healthy dose of paranoia.

Brooks

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

"zalzon" wrote in
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Considering that indonesia can barely field
a capable military and the
rest in SE asia have small militaries, who
are these cruise missiles
directed against


Indonesia has recently started ordering Su-27/30's
from Russia

China perhaps? Could it be in response to
countries in the region buying
Su-27/30 long range strike planes?


Yes like Indonesia

My guess is that US arms merchants are looking
to do brisk business in SE
Asia but not finding any opportunities. So
get australia to start an arms
race in the region (?)


Your guess would be wrong, the Australians have
legitimate
concerns. Indonesia has never been exactly stable
and
that situation isnt improving.

Keith




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If Indonesia splits up-look out big time for trouble. Lots of it.
Terrorism, piracy, etc. The Aussies' concerns are not unfounded and any big-time
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