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Let's not forget that there is actually a victim here who just had a plane punch through their roof and drop a wing on their backyard while they were at home with their kids. Fortunately no-one was physically injured, but it still seems very reasonable that they'd be angry and looking for some explanation and to have their lives made right. Reaching out with an apology and a commitment to do the right thing can go along way towards avoiding situations like this escalating to everyone's disadvantage.

And for the rest of us, even if doing the right thing isn't enough of a reason, pure self interest would suggest an empathetic attitude towards those affected on the ground might be a wise move unless you want to give more ammunition to those who would be happy to restrict private recreational flying further.

On 6/9/19 12:08 AM, Mark Morwood wrote:
Let's not forget that there is actually a victim here who just had a plane punch through their roof and drop a wing on their backyard while they were at home with their kids. Fortunately no-one was physically injured, but it still seems very reasonable that they'd be angry and looking for some explanation and to have their lives made right. Reaching out with an apology and a commitment to do the right thing can go along way towards avoiding situations like this escalating to everyone's disadvantage.

And for the rest of us, even if doing the right thing isn't enough of a reason, pure self interest would suggest an empathetic attitude towards those affected on the ground might be a wise move unless you want to give more ammunition to those who would be happy to restrict private recreational flying further.


Here's an interview with the homeowner. I don't see anything
unreasonable or unexpected in her comments. Maybe she was coached a bit
to punch up the story by the reporter. If her small kids were
traumatized by having a plane crash into their home, that's understandable.

If the news accounts are accurate, the pilot was more concerned about
finding his glasses than in making sure the residents were OK.

https://fox61.com/2019/06/05/homeown...danbury-attic/

On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

There's two kinds of failed final glides:

1. Pilot continues until out of options and puts glider into bad place - or botches low approach at fixated destination.

2. Pilot decides insufficient margin and either selects good field or heads to landable terrain that can be reached at height allowing field selection and acceptable circuit.

With sustainers it's more complicated and we are learning that remaining battery capacity can be uncertain. The gas powered folks have long had their problems.

If you have a sustainer or SL, and are uncertain whether it will get you all the way back, you might want to consider climbing until the fuel or volts are depleted and then seeing where you can get from that height.

A big consideration for arrival over a landable place if not in a pure glider is allowing extra height to safely try the engine/motor.
Eric Greenwell published a handbook for this ages ago. It's called "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation". Much of it is still valid for even FES. The attitude that there's no guarantee is an important part of operating a sustainer or SLSP, even electrics.
Jim

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7, Ken wrote:
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

Sigh, satire is lost for the literal and the limited. I am not the one who lawn darted a glider with ballistic chute into a house with kids. Pilots will forever be critical of fellow "pilots" who make stupid mistakes. Obviously my comments about not judging actions of other was after the post crash behavior. You are judging me, how does it feel?

Don’t worry, uninformed speculation by morons is pretty much the standard on here, as is assigning blame without any evidence.

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7, Ken wrote:
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

Dear Ken, humor might not be your strong suit. Both irony and satire are forms of humor lost too many. Have a nice day good sir. And remember don't judge

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:16:23 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/06...y_GayRwMMXALVQ

She'll get some money out of it! Reminds me off a time where we dropped a piece of DC-8 through a woman's house. Our managers/lawyers showed up at her house. Her redneck son was there and insisted my airline pay for all damages and give her two round trip tickets anywhere. Our guys got out the check book and wrote a check on the spot! I work for a freight airline...