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CFII Loses Medical
I'm roughly 15 hours into my Instrument training, with a friend who is a
former Eastern and Kiwi pilot. Yesterday he had triple bypass surgery. We discussed what to do, since I would like to continue my training with him. We seem to be very compatible. As far as either of us can tell from the FARs, little has changed except that he can no longer serve as PIC, which means that I will need to fly with someone else in IMC. However, it is not completely clear about simulated instrument conditions. Sec. 91.109 states that: "No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless-- (1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown." No mention is made as to whether or not that "possessed" certificate needs to be current. Furthermore we can find nothing elsewhere in the regulations about this. Any thoughts? Can I fly with my foggles on, with Ken in the right seat? -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) |
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You must fly most of your instrument training in actual or
simulated conditions. A CFI or CFII does not need a medical to instruct. A safety pilot IS required for simulated instrument conditions. That safety pilot is required to be qualified with at least a private pilot certificate and a category and class rating in the airplane. Your CFII could instruct from the back seat and your buddy, a private pilot, could be the safety pilot in the front seat. Your CFII can instruct in simulators. You should find a CFII with a medical for the smoothest training. Who owns the airplane and buys the insurance? -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message ... | I'm roughly 15 hours into my Instrument training, with a friend who is a | former Eastern and Kiwi pilot. Yesterday he had triple bypass surgery. We | discussed what to do, since I would like to continue my training with him. | We seem to be very compatible. | | As far as either of us can tell from the FARs, little has changed except | that he can no longer serve as PIC, which means that I will need to fly with | someone else in IMC. However, it is not completely clear about simulated | instrument conditions. Sec. 91.109 states that: | | "No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument | flight unless-- | (1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who | possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class | ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown." | | No mention is made as to whether or not that "possessed" certificate needs | to be current. Furthermore we can find nothing elsewhere in the regulations | about this. Any thoughts? Can I fly with my foggles on, with Ken in the | right seat? | | -- | Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) | | | |
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Bob Chilcoat wrote:
"No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless-- (1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown." Nothing has invalidated his pilot (or CFI) certificate. That's all you need for 91.109. HOWEVER 61.3 requires a CURRENT, VALID meidcal for required crew members which he is at this point. We went around with this and the local FSDO (and even the FAA HQ) trying so see if there was some "interpretation" or waiver that could allow my instructor who was in a similar situation to instruct hooded pilots. |
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You only need 15 hours of CFII instruction before your checkride. In
theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging dual, while a private pilot sits in the rigtht seat and acts as safety pilot (since you can not put on the hood while your CFII non-medical guy is in the right seat). -Robert Bob Chilcoat wrote: I'm roughly 15 hours into my Instrument training, with a friend who is a former Eastern and Kiwi pilot. Yesterday he had triple bypass surgery. We discussed what to do, since I would like to continue my training with him. We seem to be very compatible. As far as either of us can tell from the FARs, little has changed except that he can no longer serve as PIC, which means that I will need to fly with someone else in IMC. However, it is not completely clear about simulated instrument conditions. Sec. 91.109 states that: "No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless-- (1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown." No mention is made as to whether or not that "possessed" certificate needs to be current. Furthermore we can find nothing elsewhere in the regulations about this. Any thoughts? Can I fly with my foggles on, with Ken in the right seat? -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) |
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Jim Macklin wrote:
Your CFII could instruct from the back seat and your buddy, a private pilot, could be the safety pilot in the front seat. I have served as a safety pilot in such situation and it actually works great; not only that but it was really educational for me as well. ....and all three of us got to log the time :-) You should find a CFII with a medical for the smoothest training. Who owns the airplane and buys the insurance? there are huge differences in CFIIs abilities to teach, not only in the quality of the instruction but also in the number of hours to get the rating. It might very well be worth the effort to stick with someone with the experience and teaching competence (and drive! this guy is teaching while recovering from a pretty traumatic life experience) --Sylvain |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging dual, if he is instructing, he logs the time; nowhere does it say he has to do it from the front seat... --Sylvain |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:25:28 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote: I'm roughly 15 hours into my Instrument training, with a friend who is a former Eastern and Kiwi pilot. Yesterday he had triple bypass surgery. We discussed what to do, since I would like to continue my training with him. We seem to be very compatible. Where do you fly out of? z |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:bCeTg.667$XX2.170@dukeread04... You must fly most of your instrument training in actual or simulated conditions. Oh, bull****. Jim |
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The word most does not mean all. You need to learn many
skills, some can best be learned while watching outside even when flying an ILS. But you can't log a demonstrated ILS in visual conditions with outside reference as "instrument" time. Doing the ILS and seeing what it really looks like is important and will save time since it speeds up the learned skill of visualization. But it isn't logable as instrument time, just dual instruction. You have a nice day. "RST Engineering" wrote in message news | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:bCeTg.667$XX2.170@dukeread04... | You must fly most of your instrument training in actual or | simulated conditions. | | Oh, bull****. | | Jim | | |
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Sylvain wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging dual, if he is instructing, he logs the time; nowhere does it say he has to do it from the front seat... I think you are stretching the FARs a bit. Are you saying you think its ok to give instruction when there are dual controls but the instructor can't access them? I don't think that would hold up in court. 91.109 (a) No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned free balloon) that is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft has fully functioning dual controls. ... |
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