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HUD view of a near-miss
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:11:15 -0500, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote: wrote in message t... Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C. Scott Wilson http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY That was about as close as it gets without aluminum scraps flying. It can get closer. Many years back as a student I was landing a Piper Colt on 36. A Comanche was flying the express way East to West. The end of 18/36 is about as close to the road as it can get. That would put me at 300 feet or less at that point. There is an over pass about a city block to my left (West). The Comanche not only went under us and had to pull up a bit for the over pass, he put the top of his vertical stab less than a foot below us. I had this flash and the impression of looking at rivets. He was past us before either the instructor or I jumped and we have fast reaction times. The speeds may have been way less, but the mess would have been just about as bad. ------------------------------------ DW Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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HUD view of a near-miss
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:08:07 -0500, Roger wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:11:15 -0500, "Darkwing" wrote in message et... Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C. Scott Wilson http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY That was about as close as it gets without aluminum scraps flying. Back in the '80s, the Navy aviation safety magazine APPROACH had an article about a Tempo Pinto trainer on final that struck a Cessna 150. The nosegear of the jet basically ran over the wing root of the 150. Both planes landed safely. the Cessna had a huge dent in the wing, the Pinto had a scuff on the nosewheel tire. In other words, this was an actual collision between two metal airplanes without aluminum scraps flying.... Ron Wanttaja |
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HUD view of a near-miss
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:08:07 -0500, Roger wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:11:15 -0500, "Darkwing" wrote in message . net... Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C. Scott Wilson http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY That was about as close as it gets without aluminum scraps flying. Back in the '80s, the Navy aviation safety magazine APPROACH had an article about a Tempo Pinto trainer on final that struck a Cessna 150. The nosegear of the jet basically ran over the wing root of the 150. Both planes landed safely. the Cessna had a huge dent in the wing, the Pinto had a scuff on the nosewheel tire. In other words, this was an actual collision between two metal airplanes without aluminum scraps flying.... Ron Wanttaja I've had a couple close calls in my day. They suck. --------------------------- DW |
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HUD view of a near-miss
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
... On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:08:07 -0500, Roger wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:11:15 -0500, "Darkwing" wrote in message et... Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C. Scott Wilson http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY That was about as close as it gets without aluminum scraps flying. Back in the '80s, the Navy aviation safety magazine APPROACH had an article about a Tempo Pinto trainer on final that struck a Cessna 150. The nosegear of the jet basically ran over the wing root of the 150. Both planes landed safely. the Cessna had a huge dent in the wing, the Pinto had a scuff on the nosewheel tire. In other words, this was an actual collision between two metal airplanes without aluminum scraps flying.... Ron Wanttaja I have read somewhere that most midair collisions are "fender benders" and that the aircraft land safely and go on to fly again. We mostly hear of the most spectacular accidents--just as we do with cars and trucks. Peter |
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HUD view of a near-miss
Peter Dohm wrote: I have read somewhere that most midair collisions are "fender benders" and that the aircraft land safely and go on to fly again. We mostly hear of the most spectacular accidents--just as we do with cars and trucks. When I was at GFK, home of UND, I was working the day one Piper Cadets prop sawed the stabilator of another in mid air. There were about 25 or so slices, approax 3 inches long the full length of the stab. Neither pilot reported a collision and both dummied up after landing and talking to their parents/lawyers. It wasn't until the next set of students came out to preflight their planes that the tail damage was discovered. They then realized it was a midair because of how close together the slices were. A little more investigation found the other aircraft on the ramp with the paint from the stab on its prop. |
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HUD view of a near-miss
"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
news:Uqegh.392$Iz.338@bigfe9... I have read somewhere that most midair collisions are "fender benders" and that the aircraft land safely and go on to fly again. We mostly hear of the most spectacular accidents--just as we do with cars and trucks. Peter That jibes with what one of the guys from the Scottsdale FSDO FAAST team told me: For every one accident/incident that gets a lot of pub or "ping" the FAAs "safety radar," there are approx 600 that don't. Jay B |
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HUD view of a near-miss
("Jay Beckman" wrote)
That jibes with what one of the guys from the Scottsdale FSDO FAAST team told me: For every one accident/incident that gets a lot of pub or "ping" the FAAs "safety radar," there are approx 600 that don't. Oh GREAT! Et'slay otnay eadspray isthay ittlelay actfay aroundway! vBgay Ontblackmay |
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HUD view of a near-miss
"Montblack" wrote in message ... ("Jay Beckman" wrote) That jibes with what one of the guys from the Scottsdale FSDO FAAST team told me: For every one accident/incident that gets a lot of pub or "ping" the FAAs "safety radar," there are approx 600 that don't. Oh GREAT! Et'slay otnay eadspray isthay ittlelay actfay aroundway! vBgay Ontblackmay OTay 'Panky...! Jay B |
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HUD view of a near-miss
"Frank Stutzman" wrote...
A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several such near miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about 500' agl when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately pull up in an immelmann turn in front of him. During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and why he did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the A-6, before, during, or after his turn. Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"! Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less... |
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HUD view of a near-miss
John Weiss wrote:
"Frank Stutzman" wrote... A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several such near miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about 500' agl when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately pull up in an immelmann turn in front of him. During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and why he did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the A-6, before, during, or after his turn. Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"! Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less... I'm sorry, I thought you knew . . . 50 feet is low level. Anything higher is cruising-along-on-the-highway-on-a-Sunday-afternoon, aka asking to see if Mr. FlAK is at home :-( |
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