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Mxsmanic wrote in
: Benjamin Dover writes: If you had ever sat in a real Piper or a real Cessna, you would know that it is safer for the Piper to climb than to descend. Neither is safe if you do not have visual contact with the other traffic. If neither aircraft has visual contact with the other, and no other information is available, neither aircraft should take any special action. If visual contact is available, the pilot(s) with contact should see and avoid. If no visual contact has been made by either pilot, but one or both pilots has other reliable sources of information allowing the aircraft to determine their positions relative to each other, those sources can be used to determine what action, if any, should be taken. In this situation, it might help to share information on airspeed or DME from the LAX VOR, either of which might help to locate the aircraft in relation to each other. I suggest LAX because it's almost at right angles to the SFRA route, whereas SMO would see both aircraft one behind the other. Of course, if they are very close, DME might not be reliable. I've wondered in the past exactly how aircraft coordinate their movements in the SFRA, since the corridor in each direction is extremely narrow. As previouls stated, had you ever sat in a real Piper and a real Cessna, you would know that a climb in the Piper is not a 50/50 guess. But you haven't and moronically continue to spout bull****. You don't know **** from shinola. |
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Do you think in a conventional high wing Cessna vs a conventional low
wing airplane, (thinking horses here, not zebras here) since low wings tend to cruise a bit faster, it would have been prudent to increase airspeed to the maximum available and accelerate away from the threat? The most likely blind spots would have been below or behind you. Since you were crossing LAX it seems to me unlikely the other airplane would have been changing alititude. This of course is all being viewed through my hindoscope -- I have 20 20 vision looking back! On May 18, 6:27 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:30:55 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : That's a great way to use up a significant chunk of the error budget. That was my first thought too. However, it also brought to mind a somewhat tense situation I experienced while VFR transiting over KLAX via the Special Flight Rules Area:http://skyvector.com/#35-24-3-2785-2374 The ledged for the LAXSFRA is on the VFR Terminal chart (accessible by clicking the Charts icon at the top of the page at that link above), and basically indicates that SE bound flights cross over the KLAX runways at 3,500' and NW bound flights at 4,500' squawking 1201 and communicating air-to-air on 128.55 MHz with periodic self announced position reports. ATC is not involved. I was flying a low-wing, and announced my position as over the southern boundary of the field, and immediately subsequent a Cessna reported being at the same position and altitude. I wanted to take evasive action, but without the Cessna in sight, there was no good way of knowing exactly what that might be. I announced again, and so did the Cessna, but we did not sight each other. The atmosphere got more tense as the moments ticked by, and I kept expecting the sounds of impact at any second. I considered maneuvering again, but finally decided, that currently I was okay, and doing nothing would likely not change that. I suppose I could have assumed that the Cessna was below me, and climbed a 100', but I didn't. |
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On May 19, 10:27*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:30:55 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : That's a great way to use up a significant chunk of the error budget. That was my first thought too. However, it also brought to mind a somewhat tense situation I experienced while VFR transiting over KLAX via the Special Flight Rules Area:http://skyvector.com/#35-24-3-2785-2374 The ledged for the LAXSFRA is on the VFR Terminal chart (accessible by clicking the Charts icon at the top of the page at that link above), and basically indicates that SE bound flights cross over the KLAX runways at 3,500' and NW bound flights at 4,500' squawking 1201 and communicating air-to-air on 128.55 MHz with periodic self announced position reports. *ATC is not involved. I was flying a low-wing, and announced my position as over the southern boundary of the field, and immediately subsequent a Cessna reported being at the same position and altitude. *I wanted to take evasive action, but without the Cessna in sight, there was no good way of knowing exactly what that might be. *I announced again, and so did the Cessna, but we did not sight each other. *The atmosphere got more tense as the moments ticked by, and I kept expecting the sounds of impact at any second. *I considered maneuvering again, but finally decided, that currently I was okay, and doing nothing would likely not change that. * I suppose I could have assumed that the Cessna was below me, and climbed a 100', but I didn't. Sounds like a dicey situation. I think that if you were in radio contact the correct response would be tell the other aircraft what your intentions are and if in the pattern that would be to hold height and increase speed ... You are obviously not going to run into the back of him and raising speed should let him see you as you draw ahead. Cheers |
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote in : Do you think in a conventional high wing Cessna vs a conventional low wing airplane, (thinking horses here, not zebras here) since low wings tend to cruise a bit faster, it would have been prudent to increase airspeed to the maximum available and accelerate away from the threat? Perhaps. However, I'm not sure there was a significant speed differential available. The most likely blind spots would have been below or behind you. It's also difficult to see directly above in a PA28 without banking. Since you were crossing LAX it seems to me unlikely the other airplane would have been changing alititude. That's what I was hoping, but I've seen a lot of strange things occur in the LA basin over the years. |
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On May 18, 10:29 pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote : Benjamin Dover contributed to global warming with this opinion: snippage You don't know **** from shinola. ....and another tidbit of wisdom from a pilgrim on the low road taken all too frequently by the folks on this group. Did you not learn from yo' momma? IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY KEEP YOUR PIEHOLE SHUT. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... In article , Tina wrote: We have agreed on VFR cross country flights (something that we very rarely do) we will hold that kind of offset to the altitude rule as a matter of routine: you might consider doing that too. The big sky theory holds true. How accurate is your altimeter? How accurate is everyone else's altimeter? Damn close. I've used this method VFR, 7600, 9600, etc. for years, and I have missed 2 aircraft by about 100'. I never saw either of them before they passed. 1 was a C210 @ 12,500, I was in a C-340 @ 12,600. I first spotted him passing underneath me, and he never even bobbled his wings. The second was a C182, I was in a C206, again right to left, again below me. He had red gas caps, and the left one was leaking a bit.(light blue stripe directly aft). I don't track the centerline of an airway(.5 mile offset), nor pass directly over a VOR(lead the turn). I don't even like the term "Terminal Area", and I don't call on "Final Approach". Hell, I don't even hit an intersection. Al G CFIAMI |
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On May 19, 1:58 pm, Buster Hymen wrote:
wrote : On May 18, 10:29 pm, Benjamin Dover wrote: Mxsmanic wrote : Benjamin Dover contributed to global warming with this opinion: snippage You don't know **** from shinola. ...and another tidbit of wisdom from a pilgrim on the low road taken all too frequently by the folks on this group. Did you not learn from yo' momma? IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY KEEP YOUR PIEHOLE SHUT. Hmmm. So you think you know **** from shinola? I think you learned your debate technique from MX. |
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