please stop bashing France

In article ,
Jordan wrote:

Yea just keep making fun of every nation that doesn't agree with the
USA.

Yeah, that making fun of other countries is so bad for their self-image.
They could get a complex or something.

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Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

The French are even hated by themselves!

http://tinyurl.com/qm7a

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:24:59 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
Jordan wrote:

Yea just keep making fun of every nation that doesn't agree with the
USA.

Yeah, that making fun of other countries is so bad for their self-image.
They could get a complex or something.

You think it's a joke, how easily you forget the events of 9/11.

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:
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"IO" wrote:

If you want to criticize Chirac ok... But please don't say that all the
french are monkeys or make stupid and false comments on French
cowardy...

Well, I haven't been, but with so many French papers and media outlets
putting out "America is evil!" content, it has to go back somewhere.

Example please?? Apart from right and left wing extremist tablids, you'll
find NO front page as outragous as some US papers were during the
french-bashing period.
Didn't you understand that the "Amercia is evil" myth is just to justify
more French bashing????
If you want to do some research to back your claims, the major french papers
are LeMonde, LeFigaro, Liberation, LeParisien, France-Soir, LeCanrad
Enchainé. Major TV channels are TF1, Fr2, FR3, Canal+ and M6.
Please don't back your claims with stuff you saw on Fox or read in the
NYPost.
If ou want info or example on the French cultural scene, I'd be glad to
help.

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Stop calling "europeans" anybody living in Europe and not being british. I'm
Polish as a matter of fact and I hate using "Europe" and "France and
Germany" as synonyms. Actually if you take the number of countries for and
against Iraqi Freedom both the current 15 EU and the post-2004 enlargement
EU was FOR the US. The French the Germans and the Belgians are a funny bunch
of people that can make good food (except for the Germans of course..) but
they still live the lives of forgone colonial powers.
take care
lekomin inc

"Frank Vaughan" a écrit dans le message de news:
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You act as if this recent anti-French sentiment was the result of
recent activity by Chirac. I content that it is only the open
voicing of this opinion -- but that it has been privately held
for a very long time.

France, if you recall, kicked NATO out of the country.
France, if you recall, aggressively worked against US interests
in Vietnam.
France, if you recall, has for years been excessively rude to US
tourists.
France, if you recall, has for the last 20 years, aggressively
worked against US foreign policy at every opportunity.
France, if you recall, has worked very hard over the last three
decades to weaken the US dollar.
France, if you recall, thumbed its nose at the repayment of the
debts it incurred to the US in the aftermath of WWII.



Welcome to the real world!!
In the next lesson you'll learn that the methods you just described are
exactly the ones used:
a. by EVERY country in the world
b. especially by the US. How do you think the US made it to it's current
position after WWII??

Pierre-Henri
P.S. Do you have any idea how egocentric your post was? Do you really think
the French treat only americans that way, or that only the French treat
amercicans that way? Pleeeeeeeeeease.

"Frank Vaughan" a écrit dans le message de news:
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You act as if this recent anti-French sentiment was the result of
recent activity by Chirac. I content that it is only the open
voicing of this opinion -- but that it has been privately held
for a very long time.

France, if you recall, kicked NATO out of the country.
France, if you recall, aggressively worked against US interests
in Vietnam.
France, if you recall, has for years been excessively rude to US
tourists.
France, if you recall, has for the last 20 years, aggressively
worked against US foreign policy at every opportunity.
France, if you recall, has worked very hard over the last three
decades to weaken the US dollar.
France, if you recall, thumbed its nose at the repayment of the
debts it incurred to the US in the aftermath of WWII.


It's funny your post made me think of Robert Kagan's last book "Of Paradise
and Power". You're almost acting they way he says europeans (according to
him we're trapped in a post-modern world, unable to wage war) act in front
of the USA, complaining that they're using unethical means to install and
enforce their hegemony. Needs one to know one....

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Pierre-Henri BARAS

Co-webmaster de French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net
Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
http://www.aviation-fr.info

IO wrote in message
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Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
"IO" wrote:

I'm italian and in my opinion the "french bashing" is a stupid and
racist thing.

It's not a race issue.

We make the same comments about any idiots who act like that.

If you want to criticize Chirac ok... But please don't say that all
the
french are monkeys or make stupid and false comments on French
cowardy...
Remember Die Bien Phu or french resistance against nazis... Your
(american)
behaviour is very offensive to me and to europeans.... And also
Russia,
Germany, Mexico, Canada, Chile ecc was against usa on Iraq
resolution
remeber this...


So your original point should have been for Americans to withhold their
criticism of the French while the Europeans criticize the US? Thanks to
your message we now have another chance to start the international
criticism of those that put teeth into the UN and those that hide behind
the UN to avoid doing much, even when it is required. With as little as
the Europeans contribute to international security, it doesn't matter
much if they like the US or not. Often their contribution is only a
token gesture which gives them more pride than the US real assistance.

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Jordan wrote in message
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Yea just keep making fun of every nation that doesn't agree with the
USA. You think you can take on the world? I can't wait for the day
when americans realise they are no longer the major world power.

Don't you think enough people hate americans already? Why do you keep
acting to reinforce their perceptions?

Funny they hate America but fall all over themselves to ingratiate
themselves with the Russians, the Arabs, and all the other full-time
ogres. I think that says more about the rationality of the Europeans
than the faults of the US. Besides, being powerful means you don't need
everyone to like you, fear is enough. You don't see much European anger
about slavery in the Arab world, or harsh treatment of Christians in
China or the Middle East. But one cop killer gets sentenced to death
and the Euro trash has a seizure.

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Jordan wrote in message
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You think it's a joke, how easily you forget the events of 9/11.

9/11 is why we spend time going after the groups we see as dangerous and
less time sitting in cafes sipping bad coffee and worrying if they like
us or not. If you want a say in world events, become a US citizen or
get your country to take the responsibility to become powerful.

The Europeans have lived in a protected little green house so long they
seem to think that if all the nice people just agree to be nice there
will be nothing but joy for all of us. Someone has to shoot the wolf at
the door, even if the loud noise disturbs your garden party.

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm