Final Landing

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Larry Dighera wrote:

Instead, he decide (his own words here) to "trust God and the Cessna
engineers" and let go of the controls. The plane eventually righted
itself.

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.

Then again, there are lots of irrational folks around, with all sorts of
belief systems. Doesn't mean his belief system is irrational; maybe it
is, maybe not, but you'd have to look a lot deeper than that to know.
Maybe it was just his action that was irrational, not his belief system.
"Trust God" is perfectly rational as far as it goes, but this guy's
actions say a lot more about his own rationality & judgement (or lack
thereof), than about his belief system. It was poor judgement followed by
an irrational decision to do nothing, not his belief system, that almost
got him killed. There's no need to make derogatory comments about things
you don't know nearly enough about to make a judgement.

Or maybe you were referring to the rationality of trusting the Cessna
engineers. I'm not qualified to comment on that -- I fly a Tomahawk.

-Dan

"Trust God" is perfectly rational as far as it goes,

Huh?

Check your dictionary.

"Trust God" is the opposite of rationality.

You might think it is "normal" or "usual" or "sensible", but it certainly is not
rational.

wrote:

Very moving.

Yes, that's a great book!

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:22:03 -0800, Dan Youngquist
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"Trust God" is perfectly rational as far as it goes,

How would you rate the rationality of the buyer of the eBay auction?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4640005 &rd=1

I have no doubt that some of the "inexplicable" accidents are real, no-note
suicides. The same thing is true of single-car accidents.

I've sometimes wondered how much the FAA's stance on "neuropsycholgical"
disorders actually contributes to this problem. Just seeing a counselor, let
alone taking medication, can result in getting your medical yanked if you report
it or the FAA finds out. That means that some people probably don't get the
help they need because they're afraid of being grounded.

Dave Reinhart


Jay Honeck wrote:

Did anyone else read Peter Garrison's article about pilot suicides in this
month's "Flying" mag?

It really makes you wonder if some of those "inexplicable" accidents we talk
about here -- you know, the ones where the normally safe and solid pilot
flies off into horrible weather, or flies a plane with a known mechanical
problem -- aren't really suicides?

I found the conversations with ATC to be especially chilling...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Michael" wrote in message
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teaching himself to do aerobatics. He got the plane rolled over and
got stuck. Of course we know that had he simply pulled back on the
yoke a bit, put in full aileron and maybe a bit of rudder, he would
have rolled right side up again - not pretty, but it would work.

I assume that you are suggesting that the correct recovery from inadvertant
inversion is a steep decending barrel roll. My acro insrtuctor was most
emphatic that this, or attempting to split S, will consume lots of altitude
and is likely to result in an overspeed of engine or Vne. Assuming you have
lots of altitude AGL, which you may not have if the inversion was caused by
wake turbulance.

He said NEVER pull, always PUSH and roll.

Instead, he decide (his own words here) to "trust God and the Cessna
engineers" and let go of the controls. The plane eventually righted
itself.

Do a google search on "beggs-mueller technique"

Blue skies to all, up or down

"David Reinhart" wrote in message
...
I have no doubt that some of the "inexplicable" accidents are real,
no-note
suicides. The same thing is true of single-car accidents.

I've sometimes wondered how much the FAA's stance on "neuropsycholgical"
disorders actually contributes to this problem. Just seeing a counselor,
let
alone taking medication, can result in getting your medical yanked if you
report
it or the FAA finds out. That means that some people probably don't get
the
help they need because they're afraid of being grounded.

Dave Reinhart


I know of one although he did not use an airplane.

Yes I read the Article Jay, just goes to show there are some real nuts out
there, but why take it out on General aviation? These folks are only
thinking about themselves, Sad.
Clyde

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:S18Id.20072$EG1.12888@attbi_s53...
Did anyone else read Peter Garrison's article about pilot suicides in this
month's "Flying" mag?

It really makes you wonder if some of those "inexplicable" accidents we
talk
about here -- you know, the ones where the normally safe and solid pilot
flies off into horrible weather, or flies a plane with a known mechanical
problem -- aren't really suicides?

I found the conversations with ATC to be especially chilling...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yes I read the Article Jay, just goes to show there are some real nuts out
there, but why take it out on General aviation? These folks are only
thinking about themselves, Sad.

Well, that *is* a defining point in most suicides.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thanks, Rick, for the enlightening (if depressing) post. Sorry to bring
this up at such a dismal time of year, but I found Garrison's article quite
interesting.

Your example of the fellow with terminal cancer (from a few posts down)
flying out over the ocean until he ran out of gas -- although fictional --
is especially poignant. It's hard to fault a guy like that, really. I've
seen too many friends and relatives die of cancer to pretend that it's an
easy way out.

I've seen pilots act in (what I considered) suicidal ways with regards to
their aircraft and weather conditions. Just a couple of days ago I watched
a Cessna Skylane depart into widespread low ceilings and sleet, with the
temperature well below freezing.

Apparently he made it wherever he was going, but ATC was full of moderate
icing reports from King Airs and up. You've just got to wonder what in hell
was so important that our intrepid pilot HAD to depart into the worst kind
of winter conditions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"