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(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Subject: The nature of military justice. From: (Michael Ejercito) Date: 1/10/04 9:46 AM Pacific Standard Time would imagine that boards of inquiry would not recommend a court martial unless conviction is almost certain. Exactly right. But in some cases the recommendation becomes the verdict no matter what and regardless of whether it was UCMJ or Articles of War. See Private Slovik for example which would have turned out the same no matter what.. Slovik DID desrt his unit, you know. Michael |
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Subject: The nature of military justice.
From: (Michael Ejercito) Date: 1/11/04 9:42 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in message ... Subject: The nature of military justice. From: (Michael Ejercito) Date: 1/10/04 9:46 AM Pacific Standard Time would imagine that boards of inquiry would not recommend a court martial unless conviction is almost certain. Exactly right. But in some cases the recommendation becomes the verdict no matter what and regardless of whether it was UCMJ or Articles of War. See Private Slovik for example which would have turned out the same no matter what.. Slovik DID desrt his unit, you know. Michael He and 10,000 other guys. But only he was executed. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: The nature of military justice.
From: (Peter Stickney) Date: 1/11/04 8:34 AM Pacific Standard Time Back in 1944, were you aware of teh SLovik case? Did the case itself make any difference to you, or the people around you? I've no idea about that, and I'm curious. If you're going to make an exa Not all the details but that they were going to execute a guy because Ike had had enough of desertions and wanted to set an example. That's all we knew. But that alone triggered fairness questions and issues of justice. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: The nature of military justice. From: (Peter Stickney) Date: 1/11/04 8:34 AM Pacific Standard Time Back in 1944, were you aware of teh SLovik case? Did the case itself make any difference to you, or the people around you? I've no idea about that, and I'm curious. If you're going to make an exa Not all the details but that they were going to execute a guy because Ike had had enough of desertions and wanted to set an example. That's all we knew. But that alone triggered fairness questions and issues of justice. Please point out examples of these "fairness questions and issues of justice". I have yet to see any evidence that US military personnel raised any such issues; nor have I seen any reminisces of such issues on the part of the servicemen who were in theater at the time. I know you are not big on providing evidence supporting your claims, but do you have anything on this? Brooks Brooks Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
... Not all the details but that they were going to execute a guy because Ike had had enough of desertions and wanted to set an example. That's all we knew. But that alone triggered fairness questions and issues of justice. It's unfortunate that U.S. authorities did not look to what happened in the Commonwealth forces in the previous Big Mistake. Canada executed something like 24 men over four years, and in retrospect it looks to have been a travesty of justice. Australia refused to adopt the executions policy that the B.E.F. had convinced Canada to apply, and they had no more problem with desertion than anyone else, likely less. Anyone recall the details involved in the black marketeers in Italy who murdered a sergeant (a Provost, I think)? The U.S. members of the conspiracy got life, and a Canadian was executed, IIRC. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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Subject: The nature of military justice.
From: "Andrew Chaplin" Date: 1/12/04 11:30 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Not all the details but that they were going to execute a guy because Ike had had enough of desertions and wanted to set an example. That's all we knew. But that alone triggered fairness questions and issues of justice. It's unfortunate that U.S. authorities did not look to what happened in the Commonwealth forces in the previous Big Mistake. Canada executed something like 24 men over four years, and in retrospect it looks to have been a travesty of justice. Australia refused to adopt the executions policy that the B.E.F. had convinced Canada to apply, and they had no more problem with desertion than anyone else, likely less. Anyone recall the details involved in the black marketeers in Italy who murdered a sergeant (a Provost, I think)? The U.S. members of the conspiracy got life, and a Canadian was executed, IIRC. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) We have equal justice under the law. But some are more equal than others. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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