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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"F. Baum" wrote in message news:f721a757-cfe1-4c34-aef2- Where did you come up with this. Which airlines are on the brink ? With the exeption of Doug Parker and USAirways the airlines have been doing quite well. Pick up a newspaper once in awhile . Hey, all, just FYI. My wife and I got round-trip UAL tickets to New Orleans for Mardi Gras for $210 each including taxes last month. In 1997 they were something like $1,200. I see that they're up to $500-something right now. Same ol' same ol'. 'Course, last year it took us 45 minutes to fly to NOLA from Houston and 55 minutes for the building jockey to hook the jetway up to the airplane so everybody could exit. (The pilot said quipped through the intercom, "those jetways are complicated devices." I'd bet anything the guy banging the jetway against the fuselage was making more than the pilot, since the pilot wasn't making anything while he was sitting there waiting for the professionals figure out how to open the door.) -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Nov 26, 11:03 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Nov 26, 10:50 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: First, you can only strike if you are part of a union. Federal laws give unions protections that allow them to gain excess benefits, beyond what supply and demand allow for. In short, when a union is involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands tied and his nuts in a vice). Robert, this post (Just like many of your other posts) shows that you dont really have a grasp of the situation. If you dont like organized labor thats fine, but you are making yourself look silly by painting things with a broad brush. In the U.S. all labor unions are exempt from anti-trust laws, so yes the brush if broad. If employers all tried to get together and set saleries they would end up in jail pretty quick. The same bahavior is legal for unions. When a union decides to strike it has no basis in the current market value of the labor, it is only based on who can squeeze who's balls the most. Since labor can strike as long as they want and the employers can't replace them (thereby prooving the labor value in the market) guess who has the unfair advantage. Nothing free market about it. If you think there is anything free market about it you should say so intstead of making vague statements of "you don't really have a grasp on the situation". I've worked in the free market (non-union) all my life and I've never experienced the horror that unions warn us about. I don't get abused by my employer, I don't get offered below market saleries (which would be fooling of a company). If union supporters had the opportunity to run a bussiness for just 6 months they would change their minds. The idea that you can get unlimited employees of any skill level for nearly free (if it were not for unions and local laws) is such a fatasy. Why do you think McDonalds pays above minimum wage, its not because they are just being nice. Its because there is a market for labor and emploers must pay what is necessary for people to want to do the job. Why did we just pay $80K/year for our most recent SA, its not because we were just being charitable to him. In your world we could just pay him minimum wage and he'd be happy about it, but that's because union leaders don't understand the demand side of the labor market. -Robert, MBA |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:50:24 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in : In short, when a union is involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands tied and his nuts in a vice). And without a union, employees are in a similar situation. |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
If the USAF isn't the training ground for ATRs then instructing is.
It's nice to know the pilots in the military, in addition to flying some neat airplanes, are paid better than those flying for the commuter airlines. Who knows, some may decide to stay in the service longer. The US has been exporting jobs for a long time, it would be interesting if now we began to import pilots. Somehow seeing a bearded man wearing a turban in the left seat would awaken some concerns -- yeah, I know, profiling is not nice. On Nov 26, 2:06 pm, "Gatt" wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:37ebfada-110b-4b3e-a0cb-] Clearly. That's why there's a hiring shortage and they're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of qualified applicants to fill those jobs. When they run out of apps, they'll raise the pay until they get some more apps. That's how it works in every busine Meanwhile, the cream of the crop will go fly for El Al of Lufthansa, and UAL scrounges around hiring inexperienced pilots. Makes perfect sense. -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:17 -0800, "Gatt"
wrote in : Meanwhile, the cream of the crop will go fly for El Al of Lufthansa, and UAL scrounges around hiring inexperienced pilots. Makes perfect sense. Isn't deregulation grand? :-) |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
Jay Honeck wrote:
Apparently you aren't interested enough. Luckily for the airlines, other's are. As long as there are lots of applications on their desk there is no reason to seek out you. I have no doubt that the airlines will fill their vacacies. Clearly. That's why there's a hiring shortage and they're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of qualified applicants to fill those jobs. When they run out of apps, they'll raise the pay until they get some more apps. That's how it works in every business. Well obviously first they are going to lower the number of hours required. Hey, at 500 they still have some room to lower them further. Where they will first hear about the problem is when the captains start bitching about having to fly all the legs because the 1st officer can't even taxi without running into the grass. |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Tina" wrote in message news:fb315978-3985-4e96-9461- The US has been exporting jobs for a long time, it would be interesting if now we began to import pilots. Somehow seeing a bearded man wearing a turban in the left seat would awaken some concerns -- yeah, I know, profiling is not nice. Not nice, but, reality is reality. "Hello, my name is Captain Apu Nahasapeemapetilon. Your first officer is Zheng Xiaoyu. To be thanking you for flying American Airlines..." -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message news:bc402878-8f91-4edb-8ca7- -Robert, MBA Ah. MBA. That explains everything. MBAs get paid a lot so others don't have to. ; -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Well obviously first they are going to lower the number of hours required. Hey, at 500 they still have some room to lower them further. Where they will first hear about the problem is when the captains start bitching about having to fly all the legs because the 1st officer can't even taxi without running into the grass. Assuming the captain lives. "[The runway] looks weird with no lights." "Yeah..." -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Nov 26, 12:31 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Nov 26, 11:03 am, "F. Baum" wrote: On Nov 26, 10:50 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: Robert, thanks for the response. What I am about to post may seem a little harsh, but please dont take anything personally. First, I am greatly amused by your posts. You come off like MX, in the sense that you may have some basic book knowlege, but never having had a union card, all of your knowlege is just theory (Thanks for admitting this) without any experience to back it up. Your post sounds like something out of a textbook. Now I am not going to be all one sided so I will readily admit that there are good unions and bad and they dont always do the best thing. Every negotiation and contract is different and you have some very unique considerations in the airline biz. You cannot characterize all of them from one chapter in your textbook. Maybe someday we can have a beer at Oshkosh or S&F and I will explain some of how ALPA works. F Baum |
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