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In case you did not know, Bush is smart enough to leave the operational
decisions in the hands of the military. He's in charge. He's responsible. Yes, you are right. President Bush is ultimately responsible for the war in Iraq. And your point is? He ****ed it up. Walt |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message
... I can't think Obviously. Jarg |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message
... In case you did not know, Bush is smart enough to leave the operational decisions in the hands of the military. He's in charge. He's responsible. Yes, you are right. President Bush is ultimately responsible for the war in Iraq. And your point is? He ****ed it up. Walt Gosh, what a clear and consise analysis. Perhaps we should elect you as leader of the free world. Or even better, John "I threw my ribbons away" Kerry! Jarg |
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And your point is?
He ****ed it up. Walt Gosh, what a clear and consise analysis. And dead on, too. Walt |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message
... Walt Gosh, what a clear and consise analysis. And dead on, too. Walt More of the same. You have nothing meaningful to contribute so you throw out shallow and simplistic statements. I doubt you could throw together a meaningful analysis of any of this if your life depended on it. Jarg |
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That's a stupid position...
War is too serious a matter to be left only to military people (Clemenceau, French stateman, 1914...) Yeah, the French politicians really helped out at Verdun. If not for the idiot French politicians, Petain would have been allowed to fall back to the west side of the Meuse, or even further. The French would have given ground, including the town of Verdun, but the casulties inflicted on the Germans would have been much greater and the French much less. After the German advance ran out steam (meaning men), the French could *then* have counter attacked. Instead the French politicians pressured military to hold the ground at all cost. That "all cost" was nearly 100,000 French KIA. Doesn't sound like the politicians involvement at Verdun was very productive...... BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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In case you did not know, Bush is smart enough to leave the operational
decisions in the hands of the military. He's in charge. He's responsible. He's responsible for the overall conduct of the operation, not the actions of every single US service member. You're letting your politics get in the way of rational thinking. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"BUFDRVR" a écrit dans le message de ... That's a stupid position... War is too serious a matter to be left only to military people (Clemenceau, French stateman, 1914...) Yeah, the French politicians really helped out at Verdun. If not for the idiot French politicians, Petain would have been allowed to fall back to the west side of the Meuse, or even further. The French would have given ground, including the town of Verdun, but the casulties inflicted on the Germans would have been much greater and the French much less. After the German advance ran out steam (meaning men), the French could *then* have counter attacked. Instead the French politicians pressured military to hold the ground at all cost. That "all cost" was nearly 100,000 French KIA. Doesn't sound like the politicians involvement at Verdun was very productive...... You may be right about Verdun but don't misjudge Clemenceau, he was smarter and more subtle than you seem to think. His statement referred to "War", with a capital "W", and not to any specific military operation. It does not mean that the politicians should elaborate the tactics on the field, it means that the military commanders must never forget that they owe their power and prerogatives to the politicians (and therefore, in a democracy, to the people itself) who must keep them under control whatever the circumstances. For Clemenceau, the military is just a tool in the hands of the politicians. Actually, it's not very different from Clausewitz's famous statement about the political nature of war. ArVa |
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In case you did not know, Bush is smart enough to leave the operational
decisions in the hands of the military. He's in charge. He's responsible. He's responsible for the overall conduct of the operation, not the actions of every single US service member. You're letting your politics get in the way of rational thinking. I know Bush is in charge. I know he's responsible. Walt |
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WalterM140 wrote:
In case you did not know, Bush is smart enough to leave the operational decisions in the hands of the military. He's in charge. He's responsible. He's responsible for the overall conduct of the operation, not the actions of every single US service member. You're letting your politics get in the way of rational thinking. I know Bush is in charge. I know he's responsible. Actually, it was that damned Truman's fault. He made deniability difficult if not impossible with his "The Buck Stops Here" sign on his desk for all of the Republican presidents who followed him. It would have been so much easier to blame someone else when something went wrong and someone screwed up. (^-^))) George Z. Walt |
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