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scott moore writes:
2 tons = 4000 pounds. Walk over to all the pilots on your home field with aircraft in this range, and tell them you have no problem at all with the government balancing the budget on their backs to save your own skin. Then tell us who is going to be on YOUR side when they reduce the weight requirement to 3,000 lbs. Then 2,000 lbs. Then 1,000 lbs. Then pass a bill declaring that private "hobby" aircraft are to be restricted to unpopulated areas only. At least someone understands how it works. But most people won't. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Judah writes:
Cessna 172s, Beech Bonanzas, and even Beech Barons pose a different threat and a different cost than King Airs, Pilati, Citations and Gulfstreams. In what ways? Personal flying poses a different threat and cost than Corporate and Charter. Maybe. Why do you keep mentioning "threats"? Are pilots dangerous people? Does the population have to be protected from aviation? Already there is differentiation - look at landing fees. They are based on class, engine count, and weight. Quite frankly, if someone is personally flying a Pilatus or King Air, he may find himself with a bit of the short end of the stick here, but he also is flying a King Air or a Pilatus, and probably can handle the difference. That same argument can be used against any pilot of any aircraft. I would love to believe that can win this 'war' and avert user fees altogether. But my pragmatism or cynicism or whatever has led me to the conclusion that even if we divert this attack, the enemy will keep on coming. Seeing that it's a reality in Europe certainly dispells any illusions I may have had. The United States doesn't necessarily ape Europe in every respect, but it is true that anything that leads towards increased costs is difficult to avoid. In my opinion, the best we can hope for is that the public is smart enough to recognize that we little folk are not worth the effort and leave us alone. That's why, in many matters concerning general aviation, it's better to play down publicity rather than seek it out. You never know which way the opinion of the general public might go, and you can't afford to have it go against you. Quite frankly, I'm not sure we'll get that much. Pilots are outsiders in the eyes of the average Joe. Which means that if someone proposes taxing them but not "normal Americans," he'll almost certainly get his way. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic,
p Freedom of speech is so irritating sometimes, eh? When someone confuses it with freedom of incoherent blathering, it can be, yes. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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scott moore writes:
And the "profit motive" has given us wx delivered by geosyncronous satellite, including graphics. The FAA has given us an operator who reads web pages to you. The government has also given you GPS, LORAN, VORs, and ILS, along with thousands of free or dirt-cheap sources of data. Don't confuse the individual failings of organizations (private or public) with the general advisability of public or private ownership or operation. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2007-02-10, Mxsmanic wrote: Wolfgang Schwanke writes: What I say above true for the US as well. Not unless the U.S. has changed very dramatically indeed. Last time I was there, mediocrity, social stratification, and complacency/apathy were not the watchwords that they are in Europe. I've lived in both Europe and the US for a significant time. I would beg to differ - the average European and American have more in common on this count than not. Social stratification is rife in the US - mainly caused by apathy! Just visit any trailer park. Man you are clueless. Matt |
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Thomas Borchert writes:
When someone confuses it with freedom of incoherent blathering, it can be, yes. There is no confusion. Freedom of speech presumes that no one will pass judgement on the intelligence, coherence, wisdom, etc., of any speech. But the concept is difficult enough to get across to Americans. People in countries with a history of far less freedom of speech find it all the more difficult to understand. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Judah wrote:
In today's world, an Interactive Voice Response (IVR) system could replace the briefers, and you could still call for weather from your car. Instead of talking to a briefer, you could dial or talk to the voice response system and get appropriate responses. Having dealt with quite a few of the various voice response systems over the years, I would have to say that such a system would pretty much ensure that I never called for a briefing again... When you have the repeat the same damn think 10 times and the ****in' system *still* doesn't recognize what you're trying to say, they're basically ****in' useless... The menu systems that require touchtone responses are quite a bit better since they are working with fairly discrete responses that all phones need to be able to generate in order to even dial a number... |
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
.. The US is a direct democracy? The US government cannot ignore what the people want? No, it is not. |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Mxsmanic, p Freedom of speech is so irritating sometimes, eh? When someone confuses it with freedom of incoherent blathering, it can be, yes. Freedom of speach is misunderstood my most Americans, just like most misunderstand the presumption of innocence for a defendant in a criminal proceeding. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes: When someone confuses it with freedom of incoherent blathering, it can be, yes. There is no confusion. Freedom of speech presumes that no one will pass judgement on the intelligence, coherence, wisdom, etc., of any speech. But the concept is difficult enough to get across to Americans. People in countries with a history of far less freedom of speech find it all the more difficult to understand. Most Americans do not understand that Freedom of Speech (1st Amendment) provides protected speech only from the government. It does not apply between citizens, corporations (or similar entities), or between citizens and corporations (or similar entities. |
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