Crash near Miami, FL

A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard) crashed during takeoff
near Miami, FL today.

Watching TV coverage of the aftermatch it's certain two things will happen
after such an event. The TV networks will report a fiery explosion before
the crash and Mary Shiavo will be on-air demonstrating she's an ignorant, uh
what's the word, media whore? The TV networks would be better served just
directly airing the first homeless guy they can find.

Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is a "hydroplane". All
the years I dealt with them I thought they were seaplanes.
--
Scott

tscottme wrote:
A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard) crashed during takeoff
near Miami, FL today.


I thought they flew SA-16s (Grumman Albatrosses).



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

tscottme wrote:
A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard) crashed during takeoff
near Miami, FL today.

Watching TV coverage of the aftermatch it's certain two things will happen
after such an event. The TV networks will report a fiery explosion before
the crash and Mary Shiavo will be on-air demonstrating she's an ignorant, uh
what's the word, media whore? The TV networks would be better served just
directly airing the first homeless guy they can find.

Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is a "hydroplane". All
the years I dealt with them I thought they were seaplanes.

Then again, maybe someone will focus on the inherent danger of flying
paying passengers in an airplane that can't maintain a takeoff flight
path with one engine inoperative.

Tim wrote:
Then again, maybe someone will focus on the inherent danger of flying
paying passengers in an airplane that can't maintain a takeoff flight path
with one engine inoperative.

Not a problem when you're taking off on an infinitely long runway as they
were.

Gees, I hate it when infants, kids, babies die. Sad...

Hilton

Reports and photographs indicate that there was a fire and
fuel explosion and one wing was blown off the airplane.
Kind of hard to fly anywhere with only half an airplane.

My guess at this point, a fuel line leak in the nacelle and
the fuel mixture in the wing root exploded.

Normal procedure for any seaplane is to land (is that
water?) but the Grumman Albatross (the Mallard is smaller)
with the turboprop engines flies just fine on one engine.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Hilton" wrote in message
nk.net...
| Tim wrote:
| Then again, maybe someone will focus on the inherent
danger of flying
| paying passengers in an airplane that can't maintain a
takeoff flight path
| with one engine inoperative.
|
| Not a problem when you're taking off on an infinitely long
runway as they
| were.
|
| Gees, I hate it when infants, kids, babies die. Sad...
|
| Hilton
|
|

wrote:

tscottme wrote:

A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard) crashed during takeoff
near Miami, FL today.

Watching TV coverage of the aftermatch it's certain two things will
happen
after such an event. The TV networks will report a fiery explosion
before
the crash and Mary Shiavo will be on-air demonstrating she's an
ignorant, uh
what's the word, media whore? The TV networks would be better served
just
directly airing the first homeless guy they can find.

Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is a
"hydroplane". All
the years I dealt with them I thought they were seaplanes.


Then again, maybe someone will focus on the inherent danger of flying
paying passengers in an airplane that can't maintain a takeoff flight
path with one engine inoperative.

The Mallard may well have some unusual flight characteristics that I'm not aware of
but I believe your statement applies to the vast majority of lignt-medium twin
aircraft. In most of these, VMC is higher than stalling speed in take-off
configuration. Any pilot that allows the aircraft to remain in this dangerous
flight realm is asking for problems.
Of course, it appears that the subject aircraft flew several miles after takeoff and
was then reported to be in flames and a wing came off prior to the actual crash, so
I doubt that your comments (or mine) have any bearing whatsoever on this crash.

video clearly shows fuselage impacting with the wing some
distance and on fire,
see link http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2093752.html


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P



"Mike H" wrote in message
...
|
|
| wrote:
|
| tscottme wrote:
|
| A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard)
crashed during takeoff
| near Miami, FL today.
|
| Watching TV coverage of the aftermatch it's certain two
things will
| happen
| after such an event. The TV networks will report a
fiery explosion
| before
| the crash and Mary Shiavo will be on-air demonstrating
she's an
| ignorant, uh
| what's the word, media whore? The TV networks would be
better served
| just
| directly airing the first homeless guy they can find.
|
| Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is
a
| "hydroplane". All
| the years I dealt with them I thought they were
seaplanes.
|
|
| Then again, maybe someone will focus on the inherent
danger of flying
| paying passengers in an airplane that can't maintain a
takeoff flight
| path with one engine inoperative.
|
| The Mallard may well have some unusual flight
characteristics that I'm not aware of
| but I believe your statement applies to the vast majority
of lignt-medium twin
| aircraft. In most of these, VMC is higher than stalling
speed in take-off
| configuration. Any pilot that allows the aircraft to
remain in this dangerous
| flight realm is asking for problems.
| Of course, it appears that the subject aircraft flew
several miles after takeoff and
| was then reported to be in flames and a wing came off
prior to the actual crash, so
| I doubt that your comments (or mine) have any bearing
whatsoever on this crash.
|

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
tscottme wrote:
A Chalks Airways Grumman Mallard (Turbine Mallard) crashed during
takeoff
near Miami, FL today.


I thought they flew SA-16s (Grumman Albatrosses).


No, Mallards, smaller than the Albatross. I believe they have/had one or
more Albatross, and I may have fueled it once prior to a passenger pickup at
FLL. However that was more than 10 years ago and I may be confusing Chalks'
Albatross for one belonging to a private owner.

Each and every Chalks employee I ever dealt with were just as nice as you
would hope. Heck, even most of the passenegers were above average in the
nice department.

--
Scott

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is a "hydroplane".
All
the years I dealt with them I thought they were seaplanes.

They've been called that since the days of Glenn Curtiss.

So you see, you don't know everything, either. Perhaps you shouldn't
be judging Mary S. ((:-))

vince norris

Did I "credit" Shiavo with the hydroplane comment? None of us that worked
on or around them, including the Chalks employees I knew ever once called
any of the aircraft a hydroplane. Maybe the accident aircraft hit an air
pocket?

Mary made a couple of humdingers during her commentary on TV today, as she
usually does. Did you know the aircraft, contrary to FAA records and the
data plates I saw with my own eyes, couldn't have been of mid 1940's origin.
Mary informs us that seawater is far too corrosive to see such an aged
aircraft survive to the present. Mary wrote a book so she knows better than
the aircraft owners and maintenance personnel what she is talking about,
just ask her.

--
Scott

tscottme wrote:
"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...

Hey did you know that according to MSNBC the Mallard is a "hydroplane".

All

the years I dealt with them I thought they were seaplanes.

They've been called that since the days of Glenn Curtiss.

So you see, you don't know everything, either. Perhaps you shouldn't
be judging Mary S. ((:-))

vince norris


Did I "credit" Shiavo with the hydroplane comment? None of us that worked
on or around them, including the Chalks employees I knew ever once called
any of the aircraft a hydroplane. Maybe the accident aircraft hit an air
pocket?

Mary made a couple of humdingers during her commentary on TV today, as she
usually does. Did you know the aircraft, contrary to FAA records and the
data plates I saw with my own eyes, couldn't have been of mid 1940's origin.
Mary informs us that seawater is far too corrosive to see such an aged
aircraft survive to the present. Mary wrote a book so she knows better than
the aircraft owners and maintenance personnel what she is talking about,
just ask her.

My ASES instructor said to don't even think about sal****er near his
plane. He said no matter how thoroughly you wash it off, it will still
corrode.