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Old December 4th 03, 02:18 AM
Bob Martin
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Being in the "Experimental" category has some restrictions. You operate
under a letter from the FAA that outlines "Operating Limitations". Some
of the restrictions that apply to a/c operated as "Experimental" are no
operation for hire, no skkydiving allowed, you may or may not be able to
carry passengers other than required crew, no operation over densely
populated areas or in congested airways, VFR only. There may also be
restrictions on how far from home you can go.


Well, it depends... our plane is flown under "experimental" (it's an RV-6)
but we can carry one passenger (since there are only 2 seats), could fly IFR
if we had the instrumentation (but we don't, at least right now)... also,
the "densely populated areas or in congested airways" limitation no longer
applies, since we're out of the flight-test period. And we can fly anywhere
we wanted to.

However, we still cannot operate anything for hire.


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Old December 4th 03, 08:55 AM
Dave S
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There is more than one category of Experimental... and a certified
airplane that is "demoted" to experimental is most certainly NOT
"amatuer built".

Dave

BTIZ wrote:
could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time...
many home builts and gliders are certified experimental..

the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and
in an area visible to the pax

must have been an insurance thing..

BT

"Peter R." wrote in message
...

Jeff Franks ) wrote:


Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified
aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental?


A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an
Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that
this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we


were

unable to see the avionics in action.

FWIW...


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Old December 4th 03, 11:25 PM
Michael
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"Jeff Franks" wrote
Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified
aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental?

Seems there are LOTS of great options out there for non-certified flight
instruments (EFIS's and such) available for not much more than a song and a
dance, but you can't put them in a certified plane (my understanding
anyway).

If I'm a fair weather, non-commercial pilot, why would I care if the FAA
stamped my alternator or not? Cause if they do, the price jumps 500% for
the same part that's on my Dodge.

(all that said, I understand that the certification is there for safety
purposes and that I will lose the "promise" of the FAA saying that its a
well proven part).


First off, the alternator is not the same as on your Dodge - no unless
the Dodge you drive is 20+ years old. So basically your aircraft
alternator is significantly worse than the alternator on your Dodge.

Second, if you make an experimental out of a certified airplane
(rather than building one from scratch or a kit) you get operating
limitations that are pretty draconian, and basically make the airplane
useless. As an example, you can't go more than 300 miles from home
unless you're going to an exhibition, and every trip you make for the
year must be scheduled in advance. This is done to keep people from
doing exactly what you propose.

Michael
 




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