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Old August 16th 06, 02:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Tony Snow, "technical advisor" for our aviation video webpage (Tony is
retired RAF, and has forgotten more about aviation than I'll ever
know), confirmed for me today that it would cost $640+ for me to top
off Atlas -- our Cherokee Pathfinder -- in Great Britain.

Imagine! $640 to go fly! This *might* explain why there are only 9
registered Cherokee 235s in all of Britain, no?

Not to worry, however. Tony has confirmed that the streets in his
hometown *are* paved with gold, and that everyone eats steak daily, for
free, thanks to the taxes those remaining 9 pilots are paying...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old August 16th 06, 03:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bret Ludwig
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Tony Snow, "technical advisor" for our aviation video webpage (Tony is
retired RAF, and has forgotten more about aviation than I'll ever
know), confirmed for me today that it would cost $640+ for me to top
off Atlas -- our Cherokee Pathfinder -- in Great Britain.

Imagine! $640 to go fly! This *might* explain why there are only 9
registered Cherokee 235s in all of Britain, no?




Pretty sad. But consider also the thousands of Americans that don't own
an airplane ostensibly because they are "saving for their children's
college education". I don't know about the UK specifically but in most
of Europe, if your kids really are smart enough for college, they can
go, and if they aren't they won't be anyway. So let's look at the whole
picture.

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Old August 16th 06, 03:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
David Wright
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Pretty sad. But consider also the thousands of Americans that don't own
an airplane ostensibly because they are "saving for their children's
college education". I don't know about the UK specifically but in most
of Europe, if your kids really are smart enough for college, they can
go, and if they aren't they won't be anyway.



Accurate, yes. That level of education is based on ability, rather than
ability to pay - and if your ability isn't up to scratch, you can delay a
couple of years and go in as a "mature" student, where - apart from the real
top levels of academia - you can be reasonably selective what and where to
study. You can even do it full/part time from home (normally online) and get
the same recognised degrees.

Now, to bring it back on topic, a JAA PPL gained in the UK costs around
$8500 US equivalent, and an ATPL around $110,000 US - how's that for value,
ha ha ha.

D.


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Old August 16th 06, 03:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Anno v. Heimburg
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Imagine! $640 to go fly! This *might* explain why there are only 9
registered Cherokee 235s in all of Britain, no?


So now you know why Thielert was founded.


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Old August 16th 06, 04:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bret Ludwig
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David Wright wrote:
Pretty sad. But consider also the thousands of Americans that don't own
an airplane ostensibly because they are "saving for their children's
college education". I don't know about the UK specifically but in most
of Europe, if your kids really are smart enough for college, they can
go, and if they aren't they won't be anyway.



Accurate, yes. That level of education is based on ability, rather than
ability to pay - and if your ability isn't up to scratch, you can delay a
couple of years and go in as a "mature" student, where - apart from the real
top levels of academia - you can be reasonably selective what and where to
study. You can even do it full/part time from home (normally online) and get
the same recognised degrees.

Now, to bring it back on topic, a JAA PPL gained in the UK costs around
$8500 US equivalent, and an ATPL around $110,000 US - how's that for value,
ha ha ha.



Yes, but fuel isn't most of that. And if it weren't for taxes fuel
there would cost what fuel here does. OTOH they have effective
passenger rail transport, we don't.

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Old August 16th 06, 07:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tuite
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On 16 Aug 2006 08:06:31 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:


David Wright wrote:
Pretty sad. But consider also the thousands of Americans that don't own
an airplane ostensibly because they are "saving for their children's
college education". I don't know about the UK specifically but in most
of Europe, if your kids really are smart enough for college, they can
go, and if they aren't they won't be anyway.



Accurate, yes. That level of education is based on ability, rather than
ability to pay - and if your ability isn't up to scratch, you can delay a
couple of years and go in as a "mature" student, where - apart from the real
top levels of academia - you can be reasonably selective what and where to
study. You can even do it full/part time from home (normally online) and get
the same recognised degrees.

Now, to bring it back on topic, a JAA PPL gained in the UK costs around
$8500 US equivalent, and an ATPL around $110,000 US - how's that for value,
ha ha ha.



Yes, but fuel isn't most of that. And if it weren't for taxes fuel
there would cost what fuel here does. OTOH they have effective
passenger rail transport, we don't.


Unless things have changed drastically since I was in the UK last
September British Rail is very expensive and the service sucks. I.e.,
hundreds of Euros to travel from Reading to Swansea. Coach was about
30 Euros. Flying anywhere in the British Isles was very cheap, as
long as you could avoid Heathrow and Shannon.

Don
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Old August 16th 06, 07:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tuite
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:49:24 GMT, Don Tuite
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Pounds. I meant Pounds. Which were $2.13 at the time.

Unless things have changed drastically since I was in the UK last
September British Rail is very expensive and the service sucks. I.e.,
hundreds of Euros to travel from Reading to Swansea. Coach was about
30 Euros. Flying anywhere in the British Isles was very cheap, as
long as you could avoid Heathrow and Shannon.

Don


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Old August 16th 06, 08:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Andrew Sarangan[_1_]
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Tony Snow, "technical advisor" for our aviation video webpage (Tony is
retired RAF, and has forgotten more about aviation than I'll ever
know), confirmed for me today that it would cost $640+ for me to top
off Atlas -- our Cherokee Pathfinder -- in Great Britain.

Imagine! $640 to go fly! This *might* explain why there are only 9
registered Cherokee 235s in all of Britain, no?




Pretty sad. But consider also the thousands of Americans that don't own
an airplane ostensibly because they are "saving for their children's
college education". I don't know about the UK specifically but in most
of Europe, if your kids really are smart enough for college, they can
go, and if they aren't they won't be anyway. So let's look at the whole
picture.


And don't forget all the Americans who cannot afford to fly because of
medical bills.

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Old August 16th 06, 08:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
David Wright
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Yes, but fuel isn't most of that. And if it weren't for taxes fuel
there would cost what fuel here does. OTOH they have effective
passenger rail transport, we don't.


Less of the here and there, I'm in the UK!

No, we don't have effective passenger rail transport

It takes 5 hours to travel from London to Edinburgh by train, at a cost of
around £80 ($160). Whereas, book early enough, and you can fly from London
Luton (about 30 miles out of London) to Edinburgh with low cost carrier
easyJet.com for around £20 ($40) in just under 50 minutes.

Not a journey I make regularly, but have done it once or twice - only got
the train last time because the plane was cancelled - still, had plenty of
time to sit around and think about it... Okay, I jest - the trains are
good - but only because the entire country is small enough to drive from one
end to the other in about 14 hours, and from one side to the other in about
6 - that makes train journeys sensible in a lot of scenarios where flights
and cars just are pointless.

Oh, and the Pilot magazines here have more adverts in for people to do their
PPL in the USA (and, increasingly, Spain and South Africa) than they do
adverts for UK PPL training - it's about half the cost in the USA, I reckon.

D.


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Old August 16th 06, 08:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
David Wright
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British Rail is very expensive and


...and no longer exists?

Of course, since privitisation, anyone can buy rolling stock and pay to run
trains on the track infrastructure. So the main train company in the UK is
Virgin Trains, yes - they of the Virgin Atlantic planes fame.

Since privitisation, prices have gone up and punctuality and customer
service have gone down. There are calls to re-nationalise the railways, and
a damn good idea too.

D.


 




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