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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
Dear Friends,
I am pleased to announce that a new approval document for an IGC Position Recorder has been issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia for flights under its jurisdiction, after discussion with the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC). The IGC Position Recorder is a new category of recording device, introduced on 1 October 2009 with the latest update to the Sporting Code for gliding. The Australian Approval is dated 15 February 2010 and is for the flyWithCE Recorder, manufactured by Uro Podlogar s.p., Ulica Lojzeta Hrovata 9, 4000 Kranj, Slovenia (www.flyWithCE.com). The Approval Document issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia can be viewed at: www.fai.org/gliding/position_recorders under "The Gliding Federation of Australia" and "Approval Document: flyWithCE". ------------------ Other National Gliding Authorities might look at the Position Recorder approval documents that are available on the gliding/ position_recorders web site, and consider whether they wish to issue their own versions. The two existing approval documents for IGC Position Recorders a 1. Fédération Française de Vol à Voile approval document (in French and English) for Flarm- equipped devices that have outputs in the IGC file format. These include: Ediatec ECW100, LXN Red Box Flarm and Mini Box Flarm, Swift Avionics MiniOz and OzFlarm, Swiss Flarm after 1 January 2005, Triadis Floice. 2. Gliding Federation of Australia approval document for: miniOZ OzFlarm ------------------ These National Approval Documents were drawn up together with the IGC GFA Committee, in accordance with Sporting Code rules that ask for draft documents to be sent to GFAC so that approval documents can follow a common format wherever possible (examples are on the gliding/ position_recorders web page), and also so that compliance with the Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be ensured. The Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be viewed at:www.fai.org/gliding/system/files/SC3_refs_PR.pdf Finally, as is stated on web page www.fai.org/gliding/GNSS , an IGC Position Recorder is a stand-alone GPS unit (different from an IGC- approved flight recorder) which may be used for position (Lat/Long) evidence for silver and gold flights only, under special rules given in the Appendix to Chapter 4 of Section 3 of the FAI Sporting Code. Regards to all and good soaring in 2010, ---- Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
On Feb 16, 4:53*am, Ian Strachan wrote:
Dear Friends, I am pleased to announce that a new approval document for an IGC Position Recorder has been issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia for flights under its jurisdiction, after discussion with the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC). *The IGC Position Recorder is a new category of recording device, introduced on 1 October 2009 with the latest update to the Sporting Code for gliding. The Australian Approval is dated 15 February 2010 and is for the flyWithCE Recorder, manufactured by Uro Podlogar s.p., Ulica Lojzeta Hrovata 9, 4000 Kranj, Slovenia (www.flyWithCE.com). The Approval Document issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia can be viewed at: www.fai.org/gliding/position_recorders under "The Gliding Federation of Australia" and "Approval Document: flyWithCE". ------------------ Other National Gliding Authorities might look at the Position Recorder approval documents that are available on the gliding/ position_recorders web site, and consider whether they wish to issue their own versions. The two existing approval documents for IGC Position Recorders a 1. *Fédération Française de Vol à Voile approval document (in French and English) for Flarm- equipped devices that have outputs in the IGC file format. *These include: * * *Ediatec ECW100, * * *LXN Red Box Flarm and Mini Box Flarm, * * *Swift Avionics MiniOz and OzFlarm, * * *Swiss Flarm after 1 January 2005, * * *Triadis Floice. 2. *Gliding Federation of Australia approval document for: * * *miniOZ * * *OzFlarm ------------------ These National Approval Documents were drawn up together with the IGC GFA Committee, in accordance with Sporting Code rules that ask for draft documents to be sent to GFAC so that approval documents can follow a common format wherever possible (examples are on the gliding/ position_recorders web page), and also so that compliance with the Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be ensured. The Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be viewed at:www.fai.org/gliding/system/files/SC3_refs_PR.pdf Finally, as is stated on web pagewww.fai.org/gliding/GNSS, an IGC Position Recorder is a stand-alone GPS unit (different from an IGC- approved flight recorder) which may be used for position (Lat/Long) evidence for silver and gold flights only, under special rules given in the Appendix to Chapter 4 of Section 3 of the FAI Sporting Code. Regards to all and good soaring in 2010, ---- Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee One can only hope that these recorders come to somewhat of a realistic price. The retail of these units we must use is a rediculous sum to pay for a piece of equipment so basic. I can only hope some electronics entrepeneur with the assets comes up with a piece of gear that will undersale the fat cats, but who am I kidding? Politics will squash such a rebel. |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
On Feb 17, 9:02*am, soarpilot wrote:
On Feb 16, 4:53*am, Ian Strachan wrote: Dear Friends, I am pleased to announce that a new approval document for an IGC Position Recorder has been issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia for flights under its jurisdiction, after discussion with the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC). *The IGC Position Recorder is a new category of recording device, introduced on 1 October 2009 with the latest update to the Sporting Code for gliding. The Australian Approval is dated 15 February 2010 and is for the flyWithCE Recorder, manufactured by Uro Podlogar s.p., Ulica Lojzeta Hrovata 9, 4000 Kranj, Slovenia (www.flyWithCE.com). The Approval Document issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia can be viewed at: www.fai.org/gliding/position_recorders under "The Gliding Federation of Australia" and "Approval Document: flyWithCE". ------------------ Other National Gliding Authorities might look at the Position Recorder approval documents that are available on the gliding/ position_recorders web site, and consider whether they wish to issue their own versions. The two existing approval documents for IGC Position Recorders a 1. *Fédération Française de Vol à Voile approval document (in French and English) for Flarm- equipped devices that have outputs in the IGC file format. *These include: * * *Ediatec ECW100, * * *LXN Red Box Flarm and Mini Box Flarm, * * *Swift Avionics MiniOz and OzFlarm, * * *Swiss Flarm after 1 January 2005, * * *Triadis Floice. 2. *Gliding Federation of Australia approval document for: * * *miniOZ * * *OzFlarm ------------------ These National Approval Documents were drawn up together with the IGC GFA Committee, in accordance with Sporting Code rules that ask for draft documents to be sent to GFAC so that approval documents can follow a common format wherever possible (examples are on the gliding/ position_recorders web page), and also so that compliance with the Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be ensured. The Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be viewed at:www.fai.org/gliding/system/files/SC3_refs_PR.pdf Finally, as is stated on web pagewww.fai.org/gliding/GNSS, an IGC Position Recorder is a stand-alone GPS unit (different from an IGC- approved flight recorder) which may be used for position (Lat/Long) evidence for silver and gold flights only, under special rules given in the Appendix to Chapter 4 of Section 3 of the FAI Sporting Code. Regards to all and good soaring in 2010, ---- Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee One can only hope that these recorders come to somewhat of a realistic price. *The retail of these units we must use is a rediculous sum to pay for a piece of equipment so basic. *I can only hope some electronics entrepeneur with the assets comes up with a piece of gear that will undersale the fat cats, but who am I kidding? *Politics will squash such a rebel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Since we're currently putting the guidelines together in the US on this same topic, I'd be interested in your thoughts on a magic number... what's the "realistic price" that a GPS Position Recorder should cost? Erik Mann SSA FAI Badge&Record Committee |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
On Feb 17, 6:02*am, soarpilot wrote:
On Feb 16, 4:53*am, Ian Strachan wrote: Dear Friends, I am pleased to announce that a new approval document for an IGC Position Recorder has been issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia for flights under its jurisdiction, after discussion with the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC). *The IGC Position Recorder is a new category of recording device, introduced on 1 October 2009 with the latest update to the Sporting Code for gliding. The Australian Approval is dated 15 February 2010 and is for the flyWithCE Recorder, manufactured by Uro Podlogar s.p., Ulica Lojzeta Hrovata 9, 4000 Kranj, Slovenia (www.flyWithCE.com). The Approval Document issued by the Gliding Federation of Australia can be viewed at: www.fai.org/gliding/position_recorders under "The Gliding Federation of Australia" and "Approval Document: flyWithCE". ------------------ Other National Gliding Authorities might look at the Position Recorder approval documents that are available on the gliding/ position_recorders web site, and consider whether they wish to issue their own versions. The two existing approval documents for IGC Position Recorders a 1. *Fédération Française de Vol à Voile approval document (in French and English) for Flarm- equipped devices that have outputs in the IGC file format. *These include: * * *Ediatec ECW100, * * *LXN Red Box Flarm and Mini Box Flarm, * * *Swift Avionics MiniOz and OzFlarm, * * *Swiss Flarm after 1 January 2005, * * *Triadis Floice. 2. *Gliding Federation of Australia approval document for: * * *miniOZ * * *OzFlarm ------------------ These National Approval Documents were drawn up together with the IGC GFA Committee, in accordance with Sporting Code rules that ask for draft documents to be sent to GFAC so that approval documents can follow a common format wherever possible (examples are on the gliding/ position_recorders web page), and also so that compliance with the Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be ensured. The Sporting Code rules for IGC Position Recorders can be viewed at:www.fai.org/gliding/system/files/SC3_refs_PR.pdf Finally, as is stated on web pagewww.fai.org/gliding/GNSS, an IGC Position Recorder is a stand-alone GPS unit (different from an IGC- approved flight recorder) which may be used for position (Lat/Long) evidence for silver and gold flights only, under special rules given in the Appendix to Chapter 4 of Section 3 of the FAI Sporting Code. Regards to all and good soaring in 2010, ---- Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee One can only hope that these recorders come to somewhat of a realistic price. *The retail of these units we must use is a rediculous sum to pay for a piece of equipment so basic. *I can only hope some electronics entrepeneur with the assets comes up with a piece of gear that will undersale the fat cats, but who am I kidding? *Politics will squash such a rebel. Say what? This is a ~$120 or so device (assuming the W&W introductory price). The IGC position recorder effort is an attempt to lower the costs you are complaining about. Pilots always have the possibility of putting together a PDA or PNA based system, including using free software to act as flight recorders for OLC (but not badges/records). Prices for those start ~$100 or so. But given some of the limitations for badges and records, I suspect a better answer for many clubs would be to share a full portable IGC recorder for those attempts. And anybody who thinks they can design and manufacture specialized devices for a small worldwide market, put it though IGC certification, and do so more competitively than the number of IGC flight recorder manufacturers out there - then do it! You know, all that free market type stuff... Darryl |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
My intention was not to compete directly with certified flight
recorders. If you think for what most pilots need flight recorder you will see that most of them will fly just for fun, some of them will post flights on OLC and even less will fly on competitions. And for all those pilots device like flyWithCE Flight Recorders is an option which is almost 5 times cheaper than the fully certified flight records. Maybe nobody is mentioning one of the important points – hardware and software must be simple to use. And flyWithCE Flight Recorder and Logbook this certainly is. As for the price – I believe that with 119 USD (or 89 EUR) for out of the box solution is very affordable. You can search for the device and then search for appropriate software. Then most likely you will use one program to download the data and another program to change the data to IGC. flyWithCE Logbook simplifies this and adds several additional features. At the end I would like to mention another thing. And this is true not only for me, but also for anyone else out there writing glider software. When you buy license you also make sure that this developer will support you and will also work on next version. With free software there is much less guarantee. Best regards Uros www.flywithce.com |
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One thing that hsn't really been mentioned is the requirement that you
also have a barograph on board for badges and records if you use a position recorder instead of a flight recorder. Judy, The Badge Lady, verified the requirement during her presentation at the SSA Convention. The barograph must also be calibrated. If you alredy have a barograph or can find a cheap used one, the cost would be low. If you had to buy a new one at $350-$600, it wouldn't make sense. The total cost would approach an approved flight recorder. Charlie |
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On Feb 17, 12:37*pm, cfinn wrote:
One thing that hsn't really been mentioned is the requirement that you also have a barograph on board for badges and records if you use a position recorder instead of a flight recorder. Judy, The Badge Lady, verified the requirement during her presentation at the SSA Convention. The barograph must also be calibrated. If you alredy have a barograph or can find a cheap used one, the cost would be low. If you had to buy a new one at $350-$600, it wouldn't make sense. The total cost would approach an approved flight recorder. Charlie Thankfully, there should be a good supply of used Barographs available these days. ;-) |
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we offer the FlyWithCE recorder for only $119.00
I think this is already pretty "affordable"! tim -- Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee One can only hope that these recorders come to somewhat of a realistic price. The retail of these units we must use is a rediculous sum to pay for a piece of equipment so basic. I can only hope some electronics entrepeneur with the assets comes up with a piece of gear that will undersale the fat cats, but who am I kidding? Politics will squash such a rebel. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
Grider Pirate wrote:
On Feb 17, 12:37 pm, cfinn wrote: One thing that hsn't really been mentioned is the requirement that you also have a barograph on board for badges and records if you use a position recorder instead of a flight recorder. Judy, The Badge Lady, verified the requirement during her presentation at the SSA Convention. The barograph must also be calibrated. If you alredy have a barograph or can find a cheap used one, the cost would be low. If you had to buy a new one at $350-$600, it wouldn't make sense. The total cost would approach an approved flight recorder. Charlie Thankfully, there should be a good supply of used Barographs available these days. ;-) Not my Replogle! It sits next to my Dynair Sky-515 and TR-10XA transceivers in my "soaring museum". It's such a lovely design, I'm not getting rid of it, even though I never want to use it again. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (netto to net to email me) - "Transponders in Sailplanes - Jan/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz |
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Approval document issued for IGC Position Recorder
On Feb 17, 4:25*pm, "Tim Mara" wrote:
we offer the FlyWithCE recorder for only $119.00 I think this is already pretty "affordable"! tim -- Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee One can only hope that these recorders come to somewhat of a realistic price. *The retail of these units we must use is a rediculous sum to pay for a piece of equipment so basic. *I can only hope some electronics entrepeneur with the assets comes up with a piece of gear that will undersale the fat cats, but who am I kidding? *Politics will squash such a rebel. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com My prior post regarding affordability supports the fact that the Fly with CE is VERY affordable. I was not referencing its cost at all, but the cost of the other devices. I do carry an Ipaq with freeware and a blue tooth GPS, great system. As far as the "resignation" that recorders must be as expensive as they are, I can only think how totally inisde the box that resignation and thinking are. Tim, your offerings are superb and you have always offered top to bottom of all things soaring, while catering to the frugal fliers such as I with the same vigor as you offer to the "higher end" pilots. Continuing to present affordable products will open the doors to many more sailplane pilots, a thing we must do. Thank you. |
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