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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: "ET" wrote in message ... Jonathan Goodish wrote in : Knowing what I know as a certificated pilot, I would be very reluctant to permit my child(ren) to fly with an unknown pilot. However, I would much rather have my child(ren) in a single-engine airplane with a competent pilot than in a car on the highway. There is no doubt in my mind that there is much less risk in the former than in the latter. If the competence and proficiency of the pilot is not known, then the risk is considerably higher. That just makes too much sense... Only if you ignore all the actual data that's been discussed here. In a car, you have at least as much chance of dying as the result of someone ELSES stupidity as your own, while in an aircraft the vast majority of possible fatal incidents are under your direct control as the Pilot.... I can only think of a few instances where someone elses stupidity comes into play... mid air (contributory), runway incursion,.... of course a mechanic who screws something up that is not visible on inspection...... The problem is that these "few instances" already add up to a higher fatality rate *by themselves* than the *total* fatality rate for driving. All the other, far more common ways to die in an airplane--the pilot errors--are *in addition* to that already higher rate. --Gary So, GA deaths due to mid-airs, runway incursions, and hidden A&P/AI screw-ups add up to a higher fatality rate than driving???? HA! I just don't see that.... I read the ntsb reports every month, and while I have done no math of the causes, etc... I see very few mid-air fatalities, even fewer (if any) runway incursion fatalities, and just a few hidden mechanic screw up (although it is likely that more than a few of those "they just went down & we don't know why" fatalites could be hidden mechanical). I DO read alot about fuel exhastion, stalling on final, stalling on takeoff, trying to take off with too much weight and/or at too high a density alt... etc... Quit frankly if the rate is as high as you say for the 3 above causes, BRS should be selling a HELL of a lot more all-plane parachutes! -- -- ET :-) "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."---- Douglas Adams |
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Jonathan Goodish wrote in
: In article , ET wrote: That just makes too much sense... In a car, you have at least as much chance of dying as the result of someone ELSES stupidity as your own, while in an aircraft the vast majority of possible fatal incidents are under your direct control as the Pilot.... I can only think of a few instances where someone elses stupidity comes into play... mid air (contributory), runway incursion,.... of course a mechanic who screws something up that is not visible on inspection...... There is risk in everything that we do. Driving in a car, even with a competent driver, has to be riskier than flying in a well-maintained single engine airplane with a competent and proficient pilot. Unfortunately, it seems to be very difficult to assess the competency and proficiency of a dead pilot after the accident. The only statistics I've ever seen appear to lump all pilots together, with some exceptions for data on certificates and ratings, which still don't do much to assess the pilot's skill or judgment. Human beings in the pilot community often try to deflect attention away from the dead pilot by calling the that person a "great pilot" or "very experienced," which doesn't help if the pilot wasn't faithful to those traits. While most accidents appear to point to pilot error, there are some very good pilots who just happen to draw the short straw that day. However, the same observation is possible with virtually any activity. I can't drive 1 mile down the road without having someone cut me off, slam on their brakes and turn without signaling, cross the center line into my lane, etc. I don't have any of those concerns in flight. I'm sorry, but I simply can't believe that I'm safer on the road than in flight, based on my own first-hand experience. I haven't been following this thread, so I'm not sure what the latest is on the accident that started this thread. Based on what I've read, though, it sounds like a botched landing and an incorrect or unlucky recovery. If that's the case, the cause will likely point to pilot error that could have been prevented by better skill, judgment, or both. JKG I agree with you... FYI the start of this thread was the death of 2 Young Eagles and the pilot. On a go-around apparently, for yet unknown reasons, the plane was unable to gain altitude and crashed after clipping some trees. NTSB report is not yet up, but here is the link from the original post: http://www.komonews.com/stories/39753.htm -- -- ET :-) "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."---- Douglas Adams |
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"ET" wrote in message
... So, GA deaths due to mid-airs, runway incursions, and hidden A&P/AI screw-ups add up to a higher fatality rate than driving???? HA! I just don't see that. Sorry, but "HA!" doesn't trump actual data. I read the ntsb reports every month, and while I have done no math of the causes, etc... That's the problem. Others *have* done the math, and have discussed it here. The results of that analysis are completely at odds with your informal impression. Collisions and non-pilot causes (mechanical/maintenance error) add up to about 10% of fatal GA accidents (see AOPA's Nall Report). Since the GA fatality rate is more than ten times that of driving (more than twenty times if we just look at personal flying), 10% of that rate is still more than the total accident rate for driving. Quit frankly if the rate is as high as you say for the 3 above causes, BRS should be selling a HELL of a lot more all-plane parachutes! Perhaps they would, if more pilots were to do the math. --Gary |
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