Ren Yenc

hielan' laddie added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

so now im being ignored what a great news group this is
MH

Gee, son, I'm not ignoring you. I'm pitying you.

You're reaping what so many other clueless MSOE users have
sown by their intemperate rants against YENC (and other useful
techniques). I, for one, would be more inclined towards paying
attention to what they (and you) want if only they had not
started off by accusing me of all kinds of things on no basis
whatsoever other than I posted using YENC. When they did that,
they poisoned the well... and now they (and you) get to drink
deep.

I repeat: MSOE is a crippled newsreader. I've posted before
what the minimum requirements for a real newsreader are; MSOE
fails on all counts. If MSOE meets your requirements, by all
means continue to use it... just don't expect any sympathy if
other people, using real newsreaders, do so in ways that cause
trouble for crippled newsreaders. We who use real newsreaders
do not _have_ to accommodate you who use crippled ones. You do
_not_ get a vote on what I post, when I post it, and what
techniques I use to post it. If you do not wish to use
something which can download it, despite the swarm of
cheap/free real newsreaders available for Windows and Mac and
(probably, given the Tux mentality, I don't do penguins so I
don't know for sure, corrections invited) Linux, you are free
to do so... Too bad that you won't be able to see the pix, but
that's your choice. Just as you can't make me post using
techniques you like, I can't make you use a real newsreader. I
can, however, ensure that it will be difficult for you to see
my stuff if you don't. You no like? Me no care.

I'm afraid you're spitting into a strong wind here. OE users are
absolutely adament about using it as a news reader even though
you are completely correct that it is crippled by being an add-on
the to E-mail client portion of O6. What OE bigots cannot seem to
understand is that it is slow to decode pictures inline, has
difficulty with multipart binaries, and cannot (yet) decode yEnc.
People who really don't want to get a real news reader and want
to stick with OE are in the vast majority in many NGs, hence it
is impossible to promote the idea that yEnc is a valid encoding
scheme and takes a rather large part of the encoding overhead out
making it faster to upload and faster to download.

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Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:08:34 -0400, "Oviedo"
wrote:


"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
.. .
Oviedo added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

Speaking of weak arguements - I have seen examples of the same
post in jpg and ynec formats and the 39% doesn't hold water.
Maybe 3.9%, but no where near 39%.

You are entirely wrong. The spec for yEnc itself quotes the number,
I didn't, but since you're obviously so ignorant, try posting the
exact same JPEG with Uuencode and with yEnc and see for yourself.
The actual size of the binary doesn't change, of course, but almost
all of the Uue overhead is eliminated by yEnc resulting in a much
smaller as-posted size. Were it not for this fact, why would it
have been invented and why would so many people, all far more
knowledgeable then you, quote the same reduction?

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet



There was no need to call me ignorant.

If you would have bothered to read and comprehend my post, you would have
read that.I HAVE seen the EXACT post in jpg and yEnc and the savings was
insignificant.

And every time I and everyone else have compared them, it's 39%.
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Upon surveying the situation, he says quietly to himself, "Oh god, I'm ****ed."
There is a ray of light from heaven and a voice booms out: "No you are NOT ****ed.
Pick up that stone at your feet and bash in the head of the chief standing in front of you."
So the explorer picks up the stone and proceeds to bash the living **** out of the chief.
As he stands above the lifeless body, breathing heavily and surrounded by 100 natives with a look of shock on their faces, god's voice booms out again:
"Okay ..... NOW you're ****ed."

Stop making an arse of yourself.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:06:19 -0400, "SKUNK WORKS"
wrote:

because they are dickheads of the worst kind and don't want you to see the
photos they post ****em and aggravate the hell out of the good posters in
here.


"michael hoare" wrote in message
...
I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the point
of encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without downloading some
other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it ..what purpose does
it serve besides ****ing off those who cant view the pics i really dont
see the point of it all
Mick H
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:04:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman
wrote:

"michael hoare" wrote in
:

I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the
point of encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without
downloading some other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it
..what purpose does it serve besides ****ing off those who cant view the
pics i really dont see the point of it all
Mick H



And then there is the issue of flooding.

What is wrong with posting just a dozen or so
images per day? Is there some urgency that requires
a whole series to uploaded all at once?

Why should I have to collect a few bits a day?
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"Well, your honor," Dan started, "Every once in a while my sister in law would come over for a visit, and because she and my wife are so identical looking, every once in a while I'd end up making love to her by mistake."
"Surely there must be some difference between the two women." the judge said.
"You'd better believe there is a difference, your honor. That's why I want the divorce." he replied.

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:31:55 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" wrote:

JRW added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

Flooding, well okay, *but at least provide indexes*. Then at
least you can choose what you want to see.
Frankly I, along with others don't even look. The few loud
mouths that do THINK they speak for the rest of us, look...lol
You would think, after all the DON'T DO IT posts they'd get a
clue. No, it's pure to disrupt and gain attention. Nothing
else. They do it because they can, and don't give a flying
whazzo if anyone looks at their posts.
They post on topic, but don't give a **** about the most of
the folks that would view them.
I agree a few dozen a day is best.
No one is "waiting" for these. A few posts like you said per
day would be great.
You'll never change their spots....killfile is the best. Damn
shame!

What do you consider the threshold of flooding? No one is forced to
open every post or any at all so what's the big fuss? If this NG
has a collective strong feeling about on-topic posts, max
posts/day, and encoding scheme(s), perhaps an enforceable FAQ
should be adopted to guide people.

FAQ'n charters are not enforceable.
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:16:35 +0200, "Herman"
wrote:


"HEMI-Powered" schreef in bericht
.. .
JRW added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

Flooding, well okay, *but at least provide indexes*. Then at
least you can choose what you want to see.
Frankly I, along with others don't even look. The few loud
mouths that do THINK they speak for the rest of us, look...lol
You would think, after all the DON'T DO IT posts they'd get a
clue. No, it's pure to disrupt and gain attention. Nothing
else. They do it because they can, and don't give a flying
whazzo if anyone looks at their posts.
They post on topic, but don't give a **** about the most of
the folks that would view them.
I agree a few dozen a day is best.
No one is "waiting" for these. A few posts like you said per
day would be great.
You'll never change their spots....killfile is the best. Damn
shame!

What do you consider the threshold of flooding? No one is forced to
open every post or any at all so what's the big fuss? If this NG
has a collective strong feeling about on-topic posts, max
posts/day, and encoding scheme(s), perhaps an enforceable FAQ
should be adopted to guide people.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet


True, you don't have to open every post.
But when some moron decides to flood the NG with 15,000 posts, at J3 did
recently, this is bound to cause problems. There are people active who post
in formats / numbers that most people do not appreciate. But they still go
ahead, just because they can. An enforceable FAQ is not neccessary when
people just apply some common sense and remember what mommy told them about
good manners.

If you want the whole flood, get it. If you don't, just look at a
few. We are not forcing you to read every post.
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People who live in glass houses should **** in the basement.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:43:08 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" wrote:

Maple1 added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...

No Multimedia or Multi-Part files...

What part of Multi part did you miss in rule 3

And if you have been here for years you would remember Andrew
who worked VERY hard to get this done.

The part I missed was that nobody has done anything about the
alleged flooder. As for Andrew, he has shown himself to be a
bigot and a fool.

If you people want to have order around here, you need to publish
your FAQs/posting guidelines often and take agressive action
against violators.

What are you going to do, send them to jail?!?
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:53:40 +0200, "Martin Helms"
wrote:


"Chris D" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. au...

"michael hoare" wrote in message
...
I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the point
of encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without downloading
some other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it ..what purpose
does it serve besides ****ing off those who cant view the pics i really
dont see the point of it all
Mick H

I don't like it either. But after missing heaps of posts, I gave up and
ended up downloading a small program from the sight attached below. It
creates a shortcut on the desk top called 'OeyEnc Loader' which opens
'Outlook Express' and allows it to read yEnc post so long as the yEnc is
written into the subject heading.

This is exactly the same I am using, however, the problem with the most
recent YEnc posts lies within you last sentence, "so long as the yEnc is
written into the subject heading".
Unfortunately, the person posting it (oh so wiesly chosing yEnc as a handle)
ignored this most important rule about yEnc.

It's not required at all. A decent newsreader will decode yenc
without the word in the subject.

It is imparative the term is to be included in the subject line so that
either we can read the posts or others, who simply do not wish to read yEn
posts at all (for w/e reason) can properly filter them.

Some folks really seem to be lacking certain manners... :/

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However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:25:51 +0200, "Herman"
wrote:


"HEMI-Powered" schreef in bericht
.. .
Martin Helms added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

This is exactly the same I am using, however, the problem with
the most recent YEnc posts lies within you last sentence, "so
long as the yEnc is written into the subject heading".
Unfortunately, the person posting it (oh so wiesly chosing
yEnc as a handle) ignored this most important rule about yEnc.

It is imparative the term is to be included in the subject
line so that either we can read the posts or others, who
simply do not wish to read yEn posts at all (for w/e reason)
can properly filter them.

Properly written apps will either automatically add "yEnc" to the
subject line or require the poster to add it.

Some folks really seem to be lacking certain manners... :/

What does using yEnc have to do with manners? This is much to do
about nothing and the entire debate is because the Luddites who
insist on using Outhouse Depressed instead of a real news reader
can't decode yEnc.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet


You are very proud of your wordplay, it appears, but this does not alter
the fact that many people use OE.
yEnc is a toy for people who insist on showing that they are clever.
Well, good for you. You are a clever boy, now go and do something useful,
like posting pictures as is. If you use a decent provider and connection
there is no need for these silly programs.

Which is easier? Get a new provider aor get a new newsreader?
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:08 +0200, JRW wrote:

michael hoare wrote:
I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the
point of encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without
downloading some other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it
..what purpose does it serve besides ****ing off those who cant view
the pics i really dont see the point of it all
Mick H
Mike,

Their loss that you don't view them.

It makes no difference to the poster if you see it or not. But it
makes a difference to you.
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