ILS 16R at KRNO

On Dec 14, 7:24 am, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:44:37 -0500, "Kobra" wrote:
No idea, but I would like to know how on an ILS approach without GPS one
would identify PYRAM.

You use your low altitude chart.

PYRAM is defined by the 286.0° radial from HZN (Hazen VOR) at 41.7 NM. It
is on V165 a few miles south of LIBGE


Are you looking at a Jeppesen chart?

NACO low altitude enroute chart L-9 shows LIBGE to be where the HZN
286R crosses V165. NACO high altitude enroute chart H-3 shows PYRAM
to be where the HZN 286R crosses J5. V165 and J5 are defined by the
FMG 332R.

On Dec 13, 5:44 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"gwengler" wrote in message

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You fly to PYRAM (which can be identified by FMG 332 radial and HZN
286 radial).

What chart are you looking at? Low altitude enroute chart L-9 shows the
intersection of the FMG 332R and HZN 286R to be LIBGE, three miles north of
PYRAM.

I took this information from the Jeppesen approach plate KRNO ILS16R
11-1 24-Aug-07. PYRAM is clearly identified as I said above. It's
22.2D from FMG.
Gerd

On Dec 13, 5:41 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message

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If airnav.com is to be believed, it's at the intersection of the 286
radial from HZN, and the 332 radial from FMG, at 22.19 DME, and is charted
on enroute-high and enroute-low as well as the IAP.

The low altitude enroute chart shows the intersection of the HZN 286R and
FMG 332R to be LIBGE, three miles north of PYRAM.

Isn't that interesting. Both on the Jepp approach plate as well as on
the Jepp low enrout chart PYRAM shows as FMZ 332R and HZN 286R. LIBGE
is FMZ 332R and on the INRO 164 LOC. By measuring the radial from HZN
to PYRAM, I get 303 deg T from FliteStar which is actually 286 deg M
(HZN Station Declination: 17.0 deg E), so that seems to be correct.
Gerd

On Dec 14, 9:11 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Dec 14, 7:24 am, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:44:37 -0500, "Kobra" wrote:
No idea, but I would like to know how on an ILS approach without GPS one
would identify PYRAM.

You use your low altitude chart.

PYRAM is defined by the 286.0° radial from HZN (Hazen VOR) at 41.7 NM. It
is on V165 a few miles south of LIBGE

Are you looking at a Jeppesen chart?

NACO low altitude enroute chart L-9 shows LIBGE to be where the HZN
286R crosses V165. NACO high altitude enroute chart H-3 shows PYRAM
to be where the HZN 286R crosses J5. V165 and J5 are defined by the
FMG 332R.

Isn't that interesting. On both Jepp approach plate and low enrout
chart, PYRAM is identified as HZN 286R and FMG 332R. I measured it
with FliteStar and it's indeed 303T from HZN, which is correct
(Station Declination: 17.0°E). LIGBE is defined as by the IRNO /
RW16R Localizer at KRNO at 27.4 NM by Jeppesen, but it's also FMG
332R.
Gerd

On Dec 14, 9:11 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Dec 14, 7:24 am, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:44:37 -0500, "Kobra" wrote:
No idea, but I would like to know how on an ILS approach without GPS one
would identify PYRAM.

You use your low altitude chart.

PYRAM is defined by the 286.0° radial from HZN (Hazen VOR) at 41.7 NM. It
is on V165 a few miles south of LIBGE

Are you looking at a Jeppesen chart?

NACO low altitude enroute chart L-9 shows LIBGE to be where the HZN
286R crosses V165. NACO high altitude enroute chart H-3 shows PYRAM
to be where the HZN 286R crosses J5. V165 and J5 are defined by the
FMG 332R.

Isn't that interesting. On both Jepp approach plate and low enrout
chart, PYRAM is identified as HZN 286R and FMG 332R. I measured it
with FliteStar and it's indeed 303T from HZN, which is correct
(Station Declination: 17.0°E). LIGBE is defined as by the IRNO /
RW16R Localizer at KRNO at 27.4 NM by Jeppesen, but it's also FMG
332R.
Gerd

nick name wrote:
The ILS 16R (http://tinyurl.com/353gd5) at Reno (KRNO) has the
notation:

"8500 to GS intercept 181 (2) and LOC (8.8)"

I don't understand this. It appears this means that GS intercept will
occur in 2 miles on a 181 heading and that LOC intercept will occur in
8.8 miles. Neither appears to be true from the plan view. In fact, it
looks more like LOC intercept will occur in 2 miles and GS intercept
in 8.8 (at 8500 feet).

Any insights?

The Jeppesen chart makes it much clearer

http://tinyurl.com/24kxmt

"gwengler" wrote in message
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Isn't that interesting. On both Jepp approach plate and low enrout
chart, PYRAM is identified as HZN 286R and FMG 332R. I measured it
with FliteStar and it's indeed 303T from HZN, which is correct
(Station Declination: 17.0°E). LIGBE is defined as by the IRNO /
RW16R Localizer at KRNO at 27.4 NM by Jeppesen, but it's also FMG
332R.


JO 7350.7B Location Identifiers shows PYRAM to be the intersection of the
HZN 286 and FMG 332 radials as well as the FMG 332R 22 DME fix. The low
altitude enroute chart is in error, I've sent a message to NACO about it.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:11:45 -0800 (PST), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Dec 14, 7:24 am, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:44:37 -0500, "Kobra" wrote:
No idea, but I would like to know how on an ILS approach without GPS one
would identify PYRAM.

You use your low altitude chart.

PYRAM is defined by the 286.0° radial from HZN (Hazen VOR) at 41.7 NM. It
is on V165 a few miles south of LIBGE


Are you looking at a Jeppesen chart?

NACO low altitude enroute chart L-9 shows LIBGE to be where the HZN
286R crosses V165. NACO high altitude enroute chart H-3 shows PYRAM
to be where the HZN 286R crosses J5. V165 and J5 are defined by the
FMG 332R.


Actually I copied the "properties" of the Pyram intersection from
FliteStar, which is based on Jepp data.

I don't have a Jepp chart for the approach, though.

FliteStar does not actually chart the HZN 286°R.

LIBGE "measures" to be about 2.7NM NW of PYRAM on V165.


Looking at the data from FliteStar, it is interesting that the magnetic
variation at PYRAM (and LIGBE) is 15.8°E; but at HZN, the Station
Declination is 17.0°E with an Actual MagVar of 14.3°E.

OK, I have an electronic copy of L9 and H3 I see what you mean about it
showing the HZN 286°R pointing to LIBGE on the LO and to PYRAM on the HI
charts.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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OK, I have an electronic copy of L9 and H3 I see what you mean about it
showing the HZN 286°R pointing to LIBGE on the LO and to PYRAM on the HI
charts.


For others interested, charts can be viewed online at http://skyvector.com/
.. Enter the fix and you can switch between high, low and sectional charts.

Dave Butler wrote:

If airnav.com is to be believed, it's at the intersection of the 286
radial from HZN, and the 332 radial from FMG, at 22.19 DME, and is
charted on enroute-high and enroute-low as well as the IAP.

Dave

It's even on the SECTIONAL.