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Old July 20th 03, 09:50 PM
Jeff
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Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
lost his gas cap and so on.

I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


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Old July 20th 03, 09:55 PM
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I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


I've not personally witnessed any of the kind outlined in the article.

However, I see enough pilots simply jump in and go -- without so much as
checking the oil or looking in the gas tanks -- to understand how this sort
of thing happens.

Complacency kills.
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Old July 21st 03, 12:12 AM
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Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
lost his gas cap and so on.


I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


I think more than we know. I work at a large general aviation field now but
when I worked at smaller more outlying fields I used to see all kinds of silly
and outright dangerous actions by pilots and mechanics alike. Just plain
neglect of maintenance and good flying practice were the most common. Flying
without preflighting was seen pretty regularly and usually by the same pilots.
Failure to perform Airworthiness Directives is probably the most common
maintenance fault. We have one occasional customer flying an Aerostar who
boasted to one of the mechanics that since his last annual cost him over
$30,000 dollars he was going to wait a few years before he had another. We
once got a look at his logbooks and there was at least no entry for an annual
for three years!
I suppose he could have had the annuals done and recorded separately from the
logbooks but I can't see a reputable shop doing that.

John Dupre'
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Old July 21st 03, 12:57 AM
Newps
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Jeff wrote:

Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
lost his gas cap and so on.

I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


I know of about a dozen within 50 miles of where I live. They are
everywhere. Go to any airport and wander around.

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Old July 21st 03, 02:02 AM
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This months report is FLYING mag is a repeat of a report that I read in
another Aviation Mag, I can't find it right now, but it was either AOPA or
Pvt Pilot. The "first" article was much more detailed, described the same
"non-maint" issues right down to the radio shop and the duct tape gas cap.

but to answer the question. Yes there are people and aircraft out there like
that, and they are not policed. Even internally, people hate to "Squeal" on
others, "as long as it does not affect me" syndrome. Sadly, it does effect
them, either through higher insurance costs, or maintenance shops that go
out of business when they get "Sued" for allowing an aircraft to fly, even
if it was 3 yrs since it was in his shop.

BT

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
lost his gas cap and so on.

I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.




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Old July 21st 03, 12:17 PM
Ray Andraka
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I also saw the article. I think it was in IFR refresher last month.

BTIZ wrote:

This months report is FLYING mag is a repeat of a report that I read in
another Aviation Mag, I can't find it right now, but it was either AOPA or
Pvt Pilot. The "first" article was much more detailed, described the same
"non-maint" issues right down to the radio shop and the duct tape gas cap.

but to answer the question. Yes there are people and aircraft out there like
that, and they are not policed. Even internally, people hate to "Squeal" on
others, "as long as it does not affect me" syndrome. Sadly, it does effect
them, either through higher insurance costs, or maintenance shops that go
out of business when they get "Sued" for allowing an aircraft to fly, even
if it was 3 yrs since it was in his shop.

BT

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
lost his gas cap and so on.

I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.



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email
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759


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Old July 21st 03, 02:23 PM
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"Jeff" wrote:
I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


There are a few around here. One in particular is notorious. Once, after he
curled the prop tips on his airplane by "not quite" landing it gear up, he
sawed off the tips with a hack saw and flew home. He has made at least one
other gear-up landing, as well, and usually does not bother to tie his
airplane down.
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Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old July 21st 03, 04:05 PM
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"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
| There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
| instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
| is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
| lost his gas cap and so on.
|

The interesting thing about that article was the NTSB's assertion that the
reason he crashed was because he did not file a flight plan. I have never
heard of this being given as the cause of a crash before (except in the news
media, of course).


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Old July 21st 03, 04:32 PM
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"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| Has anyone read the new flying magazine?
| There is an article in it about a guy in a bonanza who crashed doing an
| instrument approach using a hand held non-aviation GPS, but whats worse
| is his maint. on his airplane, putting tape over the gas tank when he
| lost his gas cap and so on.
|
| I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
| of chances.
|
|

Of course, when one of these bozos crashes, it is the manufacturer that gets
sued, probably by the idiot's own family.


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Old July 21st 03, 06:33 PM
Jeff
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....your serious..a guy sawed off the tips of his prop and then flew the plane
again?

Dan Luke wrote:

"Jeff" wrote:
I wonder if there are many people out there who actually take these kind
of chances.


There are a few around here. One in particular is notorious. Once, after he
curled the prop tips on his airplane by "not quite" landing it gear up, he
sawed off the tips with a hack saw and flew home. He has made at least one
other gear-up landing, as well, and usually does not bother to tie his
airplane down.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM


 




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