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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: wrote in message ... Plus, if radar coverage is nonexistant until in the low flight levels, such as at KBIH, the relay works and frees up the center controller working traffic from having to work the non-radar arrivals and departures directly. Frees up the controller? Clearances and instructions relayed through FSS are an additional burden on the controller. He has to talk to FSS on the phone while other aircraft are calling on the radio. I'm sure that's true with a TRACON. But, doesn't the center have a data person that works with the FSS? In the case of KBIH, I recall someone in the Air Traffic Division at the WP Region saying they didn't remote ZOA to the KBIH RCO because the center didn't want that link. |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:CYCeb.648570$Ho3.134457@sccrnsc03... The only time I find ii difficult is when they describe a weather pattern, like a front as being "30 SE of Tyler to 40 N of Lubbock to 20 W of Midland...." I do a fair amount of flying in areas I am not familiar with the waypoints, so this is kind of useless. These are not waypoints, but towns. Plot them on any map if your don't have a sat or radar picture. |
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The only time I find ii difficult is when they describe a weather pattern, like a front as being "30 SE of Tyler to 40 N of Lubbock to 20 W of Midland...." I do a fair amount of flying in areas I am not familiar with the waypoints, so this is kind of useless. These are not waypoints, but towns. Plot them on any map if your don't have a sat or radar picture. You sure? Towns and not VORs? Yanno, I wish they'd have a standard set of points from which to figure these things and a chart of them. Fly to an unfamiliar area and you spend half the time trying to FIND Tyler or Lubbock on the map... if it's even listed. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... Yanno, I wish they'd have a standard set of points from which to figure these things and a chart of them. Fly to an unfamiliar area and you spend half the time trying to FIND Tyler or Lubbock on the map... if it's even listed. Actually, there are such maps, but they have the identifiers on them rather than the spelled out town names (more useful when you're looking at the printed area forecast than listening to one being dictated). |
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... The only time I find ii difficult is when they describe a weather pattern, like a front as being "30 SE of Tyler to 40 N of Lubbock to 20 W of Midland...." I do a fair amount of flying in areas I am not familiar with the waypoints, so this is kind of useless. These are not waypoints, but towns. Plot them on any map if your don't have a sat or radar picture. You sure? Towns and not VORs? Yes, I'm sure. The NWS data is pinpointed by towns and other such landmarks. Yanno, I wish they'd have a standard set of points from which to figure these things and a chart of them. Fly to an unfamiliar area and you spend half the time trying to FIND Tyler or Lubbock on the map... if it's even listed. If you're that bad at reading a map, especially a map for the area you're flying in, I dare say you should be grounded. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "Teacherjh" wrote in message ... Yanno, I wish they'd have a standard set of points from which to figure these things and a chart of them. Fly to an unfamiliar area and you spend half the time trying to FIND Tyler or Lubbock on the map... if it's even listed. Actually, there are such maps, but they have the identifiers on them rather than the spelled out town names (more useful when you're looking at the printed area forecast than listening to one being dictated). There are also maps that have the weather picture superimposed, but if all you have is text, it's good to make a map that you can markup and carry. |
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You're missing the point. Of course we can all read a map. The point is to
get the appropriate info *and* save time in briefings, not extend it by proving our map reading abilities. "Tom S." wrote in message ... If you're that bad at reading a map, especially a map for the area you're flying in, I dare say you should be grounded. |
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I look at ADDS and WeatherTap. Then I get a DUATS briefing
and print it out. That takes care of the legal requirement. And DUATS is a good reference. If I need to file (IFR or VFR) I file it on DUATS. Other than a bit after 9/11 while things were in turmoil .. I seldome talk to FSS. "McGregor" wrote in message link.net... I get my pre-flight briefings from: *) weathertap - RadarLab, area outlook, tafs, progs *) ADDS - flightpath tool for AIRMETS & winds aloft along the route *) FlightStar - to tell me how long it'll take, print nice-looking flight plans, plan fuel stops, etc. Then I call flight service and listen to the guy/girl give me this wildly generalized briefing that usually doesn't tell me very much. Last time I was in a flight service station (2000 I think) they were still using IBM CRTs with textual info, so I don't know how they can give anyone a very precise route briefing. So... is FSS just there to a) cover your ass in case of an incident ("pilot called FSS and got a full weather briefing prior to departing into known icing/TFR/hurricane etc.") b) accept flight plans? |
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"Tom S." wrote in message ... Actually, there are such maps, but they have the identifiers on them rather than the spelled out town names (more useful when you're looking at the printed area forecast than listening to one being dictated). There are also maps that have the weather picture superimposed, but if all you have is text, it's good to make a map that you can markup and carry. I'm talking about a blank map that you can doodle on while reading/listening to the forecast. Looks like a map of the US with maybe 100 labeled dots on it for each weather reporting station. http://aviationweather.noaa.gov/static/info/advsry/ The have the chart in a variety of formats and also a list of the city/identifier mappings. |
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"Roger Tracy" wrote in message ... I look at ADDS and WeatherTap. Then I get a DUATS briefing and print it out. That takes care of the legal requirement. And DUATS is a good reference. If I need to file (IFR or VFR) I file it on DUATS. Other than a bit after 9/11 while things were in turmoil .. I seldome talk to FSS. It's still in turmoil. You're well advised to continue to overburden the system by calling up to see if there are any new TFR's frequently to cover your ass. |
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