Lost comms after radar vector

One other suggestion in this scenario (apologies if someone has already
mentioned this): even if you have no reception on your radios, you might
still be transmitting, so you should continue to announce your intentions
and your progress as you fly.

--Gary

(Snowbird) wrote:
The towers don't show on the typical handheld or panel GPS

No, but I bet they do show up on the approach plate, if not explicitly,
then at least reflected in the MSA values.

I certainly agree with you that ad-libbing an approach is a bad idea,
but as long as you're above the MSA, it's hard to see how you could get
into trouble.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...

Squawk 7600 briefly, return to my assigned beacon code, fly the approach,
land, clear the runway.

I'd add a bit:

Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC, and to give
some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency authority to "bend"
the regulations.

Squawk 7600 to let them know the emergency is "just" lost comm, with no
other complications.

I'm not sure whether continuing on 7600 or returning to assigned squawk is
preferable to the ATC guys...

Fly the approach, land, clear the runway, taxi to the FBO, call the tower.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:OpWOb.100956$xy6.181890@attbi_s02...


Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC, and to give
some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency authority to "bend"
the regulations.

Not necessary. If squawking anything is working, 7600 will get their attention just
find. You don't need to give them any such notification.


Fly the approach, land, clear the runway, taxi to the FBO, call the tower.

If there's a tower, don't forget to look for the light.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:OpWOb.100956$xy6.181890@attbi_s02...

I'd add a bit:

Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC,


Squawking 7600 briefly will get all the attention needed.



and to give
some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency authority to
"bend"
the regulations.


The controller will treat you as an emergency either way.



Squawk 7600 to let them know the emergency is "just" lost comm, with
no
other complications.

I'm not sure whether continuing on 7600 or returning to assigned
squawk is
preferable to the ATC guys...


I'm an ATC guy, returning to the assigned squawk is preferable.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

If there's a tower, don't forget to look for the light.


What will you do if there's no light?

In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

If there's a tower, don't forget to look for the light.


What will you do if there's no light?



Take off, hold at the FAF for an hour, land and check for the light
again. Repeat until you run out of fuel.

John R Weiss wrote:

I'd add a bit:

Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC,

Not necessary. Any emergency squawk gets the attentioon of ATC equally.


and to give
some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency authority to "bend"
the regulations.

That will be assumed when you squawk 7600.



Squawk 7600 to let them know the emergency is "just" lost comm, with no
other complications.

I'm not sure whether continuing on 7600 or returning to assigned squawk is
preferable to the ATC guys...

In reality most of the time we know before you do that you are NORDO.
You are supposed to squawk 7600 continuously when you realize it it,
however once we know you are NORDO there is no reason for you to
continue the 7600 squawk. It sets off a pretty annoying alarm in the
tower cab that we have to keep silenced with a rubber band that holds
the mute switch down.

"Ron Natalie" wrote...

Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC, and to
give
some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency authority to
"bend"
the regulations.

Not necessary. If squawking anything is working, 7600 will get their
attention just
find. You don't need to give them any such notification.

I don't know the current state of the art of ATC radars. However, the 7700/7600
switch was a part of the Navy Instrument Flight Manual as late as 1994. The
rationale was that not all ATC radars had the same level of alerting for 7600
squawks as 7700, and/or that the alert might be manually disabled.

If all ATC radars now have the same level of alert for a 7600 squawk, then 7600
only makes sense.

"John R Weiss" wrote

Squawk 7700 briefly (15 seconds?) to get the attention of ATC, and
to give some notice of your intention to exercise your PIC emergency
authority to "bend" the regulations.

John, this used to be true way-back in the old days when only 7700
rang the bell, but several years back, they re-wrote the software
so that now, 7500, 7600 and 7700 all ring the bell.

Bob Moore