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Help!
I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. And no, it's not the a/c maintenance manual. I've searched the FAA site, Google, GPO, etc. Apparently I'm having a brain cramp and can't think of the reference or good keywords to use to locate. Thanks, Dan Mc |
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On Mar 30, 12:34 pm, Dan wrote:
Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. And no, it's not the a/c maintenance manual. I've searched the FAA site, Google, GPO, etc. Apparently I'm having a brain cramp and can't think of the reference or good keywords to use to locate. Thanks, Dan Mc Being a Canadian and finding the FARs somewhat different, I often find the need to look around. Do these help? See page 9 of this one: http://www.faa.gov/education_researc...g-8082-11a.pdf Like Canada, the FAA doesn't seem to have a list of specific items that can be missing or inop. There is provision for MELs, specific to an operator, that can itemize certain things that are permitted to be defective. Each MEL is approved separately and could vary considerably depending on the inspector. Dan Dan |
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Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7
@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie |
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On Mar 30, 9:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7 @e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie Is that per airplane model? I've looked through shop manuals and haven't found a section/doc with that title.... |
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Dan wrote in
: On Mar 30, 9:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7 @e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie Is that per airplane model? I've looked through shop manuals and haven't found a section/doc with that title.... Yes, it's specific to a type. It specifies performance or limitations down to a missing or damaged bit of airplane. For istance, you might be able to fly without a small piece of fairing or a panel missing if you apply a reduced max take off weight. I've never seen one except on heavies, but the OP asked f there was any kind of document and that's the only one I know of that meets the description Bertie |
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On Mar 30, 9:42 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote : On Mar 30, 9:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7 @e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie Is that per airplane model? I've looked through shop manuals and haven't found a section/doc with that title.... Yes, it's specific to a type. It specifies performance or limitations down to a missing or damaged bit of airplane. For istance, you might be able to fly without a small piece of fairing or a panel missing if you apply a reduced max take off weight. I've never seen one except on heavies, but the OP asked f there was any kind of document and that's the only one I know of that meets the description Bertie OK.. I was OP.. I'm looking for that sort of reference document for a C172E, and A36, and a C172N. I thought there may be a generic FAA doc that specifies some generic limitation/exceptions/etc. Dan Mc |
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Dan wrote in
: On Mar 30, 9:42 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote innews:cc06cb5f-f0c2-425a-a6d5-fef30a1d65a9 @d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.co m: On Mar 30, 9:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7 @e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie Is that per airplane model? I've looked through shop manuals and haven't found a section/doc with that title.... Yes, it's specific to a type. It specifies performance or limitations down to a missing or damaged bit of airplane. For istance, you might be able to fly without a small piece of fairing or a panel missing if you apply a reduced max take off weight. I've never seen one except on heavies, but the OP asked f there was any kind of document and that's the only one I know of that meets the description Bertie OK.. I was OP.. I'm looking for that sort of reference document for a C172E, and A36, and a C172N. I thought there may be a generic FAA doc that specifies some generic limitation/exceptions/etc. Dan Mc Ah, OK. Well the things you are talking about ar largely covered in arcane manuals like CAM 18, but I have it lying around somewhere and I think it only refers to structures themselves. Bertie |
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On Mar 30, 9:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote : On Mar 30, 9:42 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote innews:cc06cb5f-f0c2-425a-a6d5-fef30a1d65a9 @d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.co m: On Mar 30, 9:30 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Dan wrote in news:0dd3237e-93b6-4d0b-889e-d81bbcaf82d7 @e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com: Help! I'm looking for the reference that IAs use to determine if an airplane is airworthy despite missing a cowling screw, having wing tip cracks, or a missing piece of carpeting. It's called the configuration deviation list, or CDL Bertie Is that per airplane model? I've looked through shop manuals and haven't found a section/doc with that title.... Yes, it's specific to a type. It specifies performance or limitations down to a missing or damaged bit of airplane. For istance, you might be able to fly without a small piece of fairing or a panel missing if you apply a reduced max take off weight. I've never seen one except on heavies, but the OP asked f there was any kind of document and that's the only one I know of that meets the description Bertie OK.. I was OP.. I'm looking for that sort of reference document for a C172E, and A36, and a C172N. I thought there may be a generic FAA doc that specifies some generic limitation/exceptions/etc. Dan Mc Ah, OK. Well the things you are talking about ar largely covered in arcane manuals like CAM 18, but I have it lying around somewhere and I think it only refers to structures themselves. Bertie Ahh..ok. I asked the IA I deal with yesterday and he said there were "allowable deviations" (such as a certain number of missing cowling screws) but then we got interrupted and I didn't get the reference. Oh well... |
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Never saw any such reference for GA - and certainly not for the kind
of junk I fly that was certified by the CAA... The OP is looking for certainty and it does not exist on the pilots side of the equation... Let your A&P use his judgement when he signs the plane off.. Watch him closely and learn... Then you too can amaze others when you use that rare commodity called, 'common sense'... denny |
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