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Old February 12th 18, 12:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....


I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

Here is a screenshot of my portable Stratux ADS-B receiver (as would be used in many GA aircraft) receiving the ADS-B signal from the TT21 over 20 nautical miles away. Yes, it's a wave day out at Williams.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kik...SlslyEyMPo62Mu

And again just an reminder, the TN72 is a ~$350 (+ GPS antenna + install costs) GPS Source that can easily be added to any Trig transponder to deliver ADS-B Out in your glider. (If you need full 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out it's a little more involved). This is low-enough cost that it will likely be a "just do it" choice for owners who already have a Trig transponder, and who especially want to provide more visibility to GA traffic (and it makes your glider visible to PowerFLARM buddies at much longer distances).


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Old February 12th 18, 12:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

Here is a screenshot of my portable Stratux ADS-B receiver (as would be used in many GA aircraft) receiving the ADS-B signal from the TT21 over 20 nautical miles away. Yes, it's a wave day out at Williams.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kik...SlslyEyMPo62Mu

And again just an reminder, the TN72 is a ~$350 (+ GPS antenna + install costs) GPS Source that can easily be added to any Trig transponder to deliver ADS-B Out in your glider. (If you need full 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out it's a little more involved). This is low-enough cost that it will likely be a "just do it" choice for owners who already have a Trig transponder, and who especially want to provide more visibility to GA traffic (and it makes your glider visible to PowerFLARM buddies at much longer distances).


Please expand on make/model antennae used and where it is located on G29.
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Old February 12th 18, 12:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....


Most Trig glider dealers should be able to provide an antenna and either it will have a QMA antenna on it or they will install one for you and cut the GPS antenna cable to your length spec. I know Richard at Craggy Aero can do that for you.... he had one in his hand waving it at me when I last saw him :-) Give him a call.

There is nothing special about the GPS antenna mounting location, or really the GPS antenna itself... but the dealers have been checking out specific antennas. You install it in the same location as you would a GPS antenna for your flight computer.

Please don't use the silly TA70 wall wart antenna. That is TSO-ed-silliness on a stick, just not something suitable for a glider, and seems pretty contrary to the original easy adoption intent of TABS/TSO-C199. TRIG is aware of this, the TA70 came from earlier STCs for 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out installs.










On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:13:48 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

Here is a screenshot of my portable Stratux ADS-B receiver (as would be used in many GA aircraft) receiving the ADS-B signal from the TT21 over 20 nautical miles away. Yes, it's a wave day out at Williams.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kik...SlslyEyMPo62Mu

And again just an reminder, the TN72 is a ~$350 (+ GPS antenna + install costs) GPS Source that can easily be added to any Trig transponder to deliver ADS-B Out in your glider. (If you need full 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out it's a little more involved). This is low-enough cost that it will likely be a "just do it" choice for owners who already have a Trig transponder, and who especially want to provide more visibility to GA traffic (and it makes your glider visible to PowerFLARM buddies at much longer distances).


Please expand on make/model antennae used and where it is located on G29.


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Old February 12th 18, 02:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Most Trig glider dealers should be able to provide an antenna and either it will have a QMA antenna on it or they will install one for you and cut the GPS antenna cable to your length spec. I know Richard at Craggy Aero can do that for you.... he had one in his hand waving it at me when I last saw him :-) Give him a call.

There is nothing special about the GPS antenna mounting location, or really the GPS antenna itself... but the dealers have been checking out specific antennas. You install it in the same location as you would a GPS antenna for your flight computer.

Please don't use the silly TA70 wall wart antenna. That is TSO-ed-silliness on a stick, just not something suitable for a glider, and seems pretty contrary to the original easy adoption intent of TABS/TSO-C199. TRIG is aware of this, the TA70 came from earlier STCs for 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out installs.










On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:13:48 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

Here is a screenshot of my portable Stratux ADS-B receiver (as would be used in many GA aircraft) receiving the ADS-B signal from the TT21 over 20 nautical miles away. Yes, it's a wave day out at Williams.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kik...SlslyEyMPo62Mu

And again just an reminder, the TN72 is a ~$350 (+ GPS antenna + install costs) GPS Source that can easily be added to any Trig transponder to deliver ADS-B Out in your glider. (If you need full 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out it's a little more involved). This is low-enough cost that it will likely be a "just do it" choice for owners who already have a Trig transponder, and who especially want to provide more visibility to GA traffic (and it makes your glider visible to PowerFLARM buddies at much longer distances).


Please expand on make/model antennae used and where it is located on G29.


Too many antenna. 4 GPS and 2 FLARM within 30". We need a reliable way to split/share GPS signal off a single antennae.
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Old February 12th 18, 03:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 5:57:21 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Most Trig glider dealers should be able to provide an antenna and either it will have a QMA antenna on it or they will install one for you and cut the GPS antenna cable to your length spec. I know Richard at Craggy Aero can do that for you.... he had one in his hand waving it at me when I last saw him :-) Give him a call.

There is nothing special about the GPS antenna mounting location, or really the GPS antenna itself... but the dealers have been checking out specific antennas. You install it in the same location as you would a GPS antenna for your flight computer.

Please don't use the silly TA70 wall wart antenna. That is TSO-ed-silliness on a stick, just not something suitable for a glider, and seems pretty contrary to the original easy adoption intent of TABS/TSO-C199. TRIG is aware of this, the TA70 came from earlier STCs for 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out installs.










On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:13:48 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

Here is a screenshot of my portable Stratux ADS-B receiver (as would be used in many GA aircraft) receiving the ADS-B signal from the TT21 over 20 nautical miles away. Yes, it's a wave day out at Williams.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kik...SlslyEyMPo62Mu

And again just an reminder, the TN72 is a ~$350 (+ GPS antenna + install costs) GPS Source that can easily be added to any Trig transponder to deliver ADS-B Out in your glider. (If you need full 2020 Compliant ADS-B Out it's a little more involved). This is low-enough cost that it will likely be a "just do it" choice for owners who already have a Trig transponder, and who especially want to provide more visibility to GA traffic (and it makes your glider visible to PowerFLARM buddies at much longer distances).

Please expand on make/model antennae used and where it is located on G29.


Too many antenna. 4 GPS and 2 FLARM within 30". We need a reliable way to split/share GPS signal off a single antennae.


http://www.craggyaero.com/antennas.htm

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Old February 12th 18, 03:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jonathan St. Cloud
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

Great, now if we could get something like that for GPS. I have 3 GPS's now without ADS-B in out or sideways. Flarm, LX and Butterfly.

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:20:41 PM UTC-8, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Too many antenna. 4 GPS and 2 FLARM within 30". We need a reliable way to split/share GPS signal off a single antennae.


http://www.craggyaero.com/antennas.htm

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Richard
www.craggyaero.com


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Old February 12th 18, 04:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
George Haeh
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

So we're looking at:

$350 TN72
$321 GPS Antenna Combiner & cables for Flarm + GPS vario

$671 Total before shipping.

There's just barely enough room under my glareshield for 2 GPS antennae 30"

apart. Without the combiner I'd have to wire the third antenna to my hat.


I'm still entertaining the fantasy of mounting an L2 transponder antenna in
the
tail battery box of my 27 - and routing a fat enough coax there. I dread
the
thought of dirtying my 27 with an external transponder antenna.

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Old February 12th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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You can do a lot to merge GPS antennas you already have. Personally I would not be doibg that for a GPS source used to drive any type of ADS-B Out.
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Old February 12th 18, 01:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.


So Ramy is using the PowerFlarm for ADS-B In? What display? Is it linked to a moving map? Any significant limitations to that configuration?
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Old February 12th 18, 01:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default Trig TT21 + TN72 TABS ADS-B Out Install working great....

My ClearNav II displays ADS-B In targets generated by my PowerFlarm
portable unit.

A question for Darryl (or a general whine):Â* My Stemme is exempt from
the ADS-B requirement as a glider but, since it's a certificated
aircraft, I probably can't use the TN-72 GPS with my TT22 transponder.Â*
Is there any chance of such a system being installed in a certificated
glider?

Dan

On 2/11/2018 5:01 PM, son_of_flubber wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:04:37 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
I just helped set up the Ramy Yanetz ASG29's TRIG TT21 transponder with a TN72 GPS Source to use as a TABS ADS-B out system. That along with PowerFLARM in his glider makes for a pretty capable overall traffic awareness/collision avoidance system.

So Ramy is using the PowerFlarm for ADS-B In? What display? Is it linked to a moving map? Any significant limitations to that configuration?


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