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Old July 24th 03, 03:59 AM
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Just for that, I'm not sending either of you a copy of the full paper.

;)
Peter


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Old July 24th 03, 10:51 PM
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In article , Errol
Cavit wrote:


snippaggio

Mark Burton, Minister of Defence and Major General Martyn Dunne,
Commander Joint Forces New Zealand will farewell the deploying
personnel at Ohakea.


Is this "farewell" verb some new antipodean wickedness? We need to
know, Errol. "We sure farewelled them Hussein sons of bitches..."

It must be headed off at the pass.

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"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" Ibn Khaldun

My .mac.com address is a spam sink.
If you wish to email me, try alan dot lothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk
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Old July 24th 03, 11:55 PM
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"Alan Lothian" wrote in message
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In article , Errol
Cavit wrote:


snippaggio

Mark Burton, Minister of Defence and Major General Martyn Dunne,
Commander Joint Forces New Zealand will farewell the deploying
personnel at Ohakea.


Is this "farewell" verb some new antipodean wickedness? We need to
know, Errol. "We sure farewelled them Hussein sons of bitches..."


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Main Entry: 3fare·well
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1580
chiefly Australian & New Zealand : to bid farewell to


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Old July 25th 03, 01:11 AM
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First on the ground was C Company, 2RAR. Anybody know how many Hercs are
involved in the airlift? I did notice that a chartered Qantas 767
(VH-OGO) took most of the police and other civilians.

Photos of the landing on Red Beach:
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2...853177265.html

Patrol boat HMAS Whyalla and landing craft HMAS Wewak and HMAS Labuan
are leaving Cairns for the SOlomons some time today.

Cheers
David

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Old July 25th 03, 01:36 PM
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Eric J. Whitney wrote in message ...
Coop wrote:

RT wrote:

Eric J. Whitney wrote in message

...
David Bromage wrote:

Tuesday, 22 July 2003 97/2003

UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES DEPLOYING TO SOLOMONS

The Australian Defence Force will deploy for the first time on
operations four Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) as part of the

regional
assistance mission to the Solomon Islands, Defence Minister Robert

Hill
announced today.

"This is the first deployment of an unmanned aerial vehicle on
operations by the Australian Defence Force," Senator Hill said.

"It represents a significant advance in the development of our

network
centric warfare capabilities."

Senator Hill said the Australian designed and built Aerosonde

aircraft,
operated by SAAB Australia, would be equipped with day and night

sensors
and communications equipment.


[... snip ...]

Yes, I saw the presentation given by Aerosonde at the conference just
completed here ( www.aeromech.usyd.edu.au/UAV-MMNT3 ). It looks like

a
very capable and practical package. I wish them well.

I loved this bit:

"In addition, although efficient forms are found during the flaps- down
case, it is
shown how an occasional modeling limitation of the solver can

precipitate
spurious results."

Chortle - that last phrase is priceless :-) :-)

Don't worry mate - you can always sell it as a random number generator

:-)

In short, it crashed....?

Coop


Hardy har har. The comedy level around here is priceless. No, it didn't

crash
and no, I'm not going to sell it as a random number generator.

Just for that, I'm not sending either of you a copy of the full paper.

Hmph.



Now, now, now - no need to spit le dummy (s******...... :-)


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Old July 25th 03, 01:44 PM
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The Raven wrote in message ...
My only concern is that the Aerosonde UAVs will be over hyped to the point
people will get the wrong impression of what they are and what they are
capable of.


Yair. Well.

Not helped by the hype on the Aerosonde web site rabbiting on about its
radar disruptive capabilities - shortly after saying the total power
available is 30 watts or similar. It's not my field but I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......

In fact the Aerosonde site in general would do credit to your average
snake-oil salesman - heavy on the hype and VERY light on on the numbers.


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Old July 26th 03, 04:12 AM
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:44:02 +1000, "RT" wrote:


The Raven wrote in message ...
My only concern is that the Aerosonde UAVs will be over hyped to the point
people will get the wrong impression of what they are and what they are
capable of.


Yair. Well.

Not helped by the hype on the Aerosonde web site rabbiting on about its
radar disruptive capabilities - shortly after saying the total power
available is 30 watts or similar. It's not my field but I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......

30 watts RMS is more than enought to disrupt most airborne radars.
remember the radar duty cycles are very very short, typically less
then .1%, so the ERP from 30 watts rms could easily be in the tens of
kilowatts.

Ground based fire control radars are another story. Those things
often have ERP's of several hundred megawatts. They are designed to
burn through almost any kind of intereference.


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Old July 26th 03, 11:37 AM
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matt weber wrote in message ...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:44:02 +1000, "RT" wrote:


The Raven wrote in message ...
My only concern is that the Aerosonde UAVs will be over hyped to the

point
people will get the wrong impression of what they are and what they are
capable of.


Yair. Well.

Not helped by the hype on the Aerosonde web site rabbiting on about its
radar disruptive capabilities - shortly after saying the total power
available is 30 watts or similar. It's not my field but I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average

anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......

30 watts RMS is more than enought to disrupt most airborne radars.
remember the radar duty cycles are very very short, typically less
then .1%, so the ERP from 30 watts rms could easily be in the tens of
kilowatts.

Ground based fire control radars are another story. Those things
often have ERP's of several hundred megawatts. They are designed to
burn through almost any kind of intereference.



Erm... I DID say..:-
"I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......"

Are you suggesting anti-aircraft/G-A missile radars are airborne?

Or do you think they might be "Ground based fire control radars" which
"are another story"?



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Old July 27th 03, 04:33 AM
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:37:19 +1000, "RT" wrote:


matt weber wrote in message ...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:44:02 +1000, "RT" wrote:


The Raven wrote in message ...
My only concern is that the Aerosonde UAVs will be over hyped to the

point
people will get the wrong impression of what they are and what they are
capable of.

Yair. Well.

Not helped by the hype on the Aerosonde web site rabbiting on about its
radar disruptive capabilities - shortly after saying the total power
available is 30 watts or similar. It's not my field but I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average

anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......

30 watts RMS is more than enought to disrupt most airborne radars.
remember the radar duty cycles are very very short, typically less
then .1%, so the ERP from 30 watts rms could easily be in the tens of
kilowatts.

Ground based fire control radars are another story. Those things
often have ERP's of several hundred megawatts. They are designed to
burn through almost any kind of intereference.



Erm... I DID say..:-
"I have a severe
problem believing 30 W in a UAV will disable your average anti-aircraft/G-A
missile radar......"

Are you suggesting anti-aircraft/G-A missile radars are airborne?

Or do you think they might be "Ground based fire control radars" which
"are another story"?


Depends whose it is. The Russian and American Fire Control radars are
awesome beasts, however as you move to more locally manufactured
product, they start to look more and more like the capabilities of
airborne radars.
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Old July 27th 03, 10:22 AM
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Minehunter HMAS Hawkesbury is leaving Sydney for the Solomons tomorrow
morning.

Cheers
David

 




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