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Old July 21st 08, 12:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
blackboxman
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Default Initial Contact Question

I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Scenario: you are receiving VFR flight following and are handed off to
another controller. You call up the new controller to make initial
contact. According to a controller I overheard yesterday, this callup
is incorrect:

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred."

This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.

Ethan
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Old July 21st 08, 12:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Jay Maynard
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Default Initial Contact Question

On 2008-07-20, blackboxman wrote:
This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.
"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."
Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


He's full of prunes. See AIM 5-3-1(b)(2)(a).
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Old July 21st 08, 12:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mxsmanic
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Default Initial Contact Question

blackboxman writes:

I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Scenario: you are receiving VFR flight following and are handed off to
another controller. You call up the new controller to make initial
contact. According to a controller I overheard yesterday, this callup
is incorrect:

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred."

This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


If you've been handed off to him by another controller, he already knows you
are VFR. If he needs you to tell him that, he isn't on top of things.
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Old July 21st 08, 12:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mike[_22_]
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Default Initial Contact Question

"blackboxman" wrote in message
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I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Scenario: you are receiving VFR flight following and are handed off to
another controller. You call up the new controller to make initial
contact. According to a controller I overheard yesterday, this callup
is incorrect:

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred."

This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


There's no such requirement. The controller's data tag identifies you as
VFR.

I'm just speculating, but what could have happened was the data link between
facilities was down so ATC was doing manual handoffs. The controller may
have wanted verification of VFR flights just to cover his bases.

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Old July 21st 08, 01:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Benjamin Dover
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Default Initial Contact Question

Mxsmanic wrote in
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blackboxman writes:

I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Scenario: you are receiving VFR flight following and are handed off
to another controller. You call up the new controller to make
initial contact. According to a controller I overheard yesterday,
this callup is incorrect:

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred."

This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


If you've been handed off to him by another controller, he already
knows you are VFR. If he needs you to tell him that, he isn't on top
of things.


What a ****ing idiot. You don't fly Anthony. You don't know the system.
And you don't have the slightest idea of proper radio procedure.

Go stick your head back up your ass.

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Old July 21st 08, 02:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Default Initial Contact Question

blackboxman wrote:

I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Scenario: you are receiving VFR flight following and are handed off to
another controller. You call up the new controller to make initial
contact. According to a controller I overheard yesterday, this callup
is incorrect:

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred."

This controller told every single pilot who checked in this way that
they were to state that they were VFR.

"Name Center, Cessna 12345, five thousand five hundred, VFR."

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


I've been a controller for 25 years, center and approach. He's fulla crap.


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Old July 21st 08, 09:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
B A R R Y[_2_]
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Default Initial Contact Question

blackboxman wrote:
I know this is an IFR forum but your opinion is appreciated.

Is this new? It was news to everyone who got "the lesson" from this
controller. Thanks.


It is to me.

I flew both IFR and VFR on Saturday, checking in with Center (or
app/dep) NxxxxZ, 5,000.

The only time I change it much is if I've been assigned a heading or am
climbing or descending.

- Nxxxx, 5000, heading 225

- Nxxxx, 5000 climbing to 7000

I've never had complaints.
 




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