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And these are FAA departure procedures? No where else available? By
the time I read the bulletin board, I've already landed! Stan On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:41:44 GMT, Robert Moore wrote: wrote Should I be perusing some other sources? Where does one find departure procedures listed? Usually on the bulletin board in the FBO. Bob Moore |
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Check the section in the controller's handbook about IFR altitude assignments. They must either be published or comply with 91.177.
Any provisions to the contrary would have to have a VFR restriction, which is not an IFR altitude assignment. "Fred E. Pate" wrote: wrote: That's all good except they can't clear you to maintain 4,000' in an area where their MVA is higher. They can clear you to climb VFR to maintain their MVA, or higher. I don't believe that is correct. ATC cannot give you vectors below the MVA (the minimum vectoring altitude). But you can still fly IFR visually maintaining terrain separation. Then ATC can clear you if they have no traffic conflicts. However you still have to remain more than 1000 ft above flatlands or 2000 ft above mountains--including the antenna. So, by doing this you might still be in violation of the FARs, but I doubt anyone cares. |
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Fred E. Pate wrote: wrote: That's all good except they can't clear you to maintain 4,000' in an area where their MVA is higher. They can clear you to climb VFR to maintain their MVA, or higher. I don't believe that is correct. ATC cannot give you vectors below the MVA (the minimum vectoring altitude). Not unless you are taking off and climbing. But you can still fly IFR visually maintaining terrain separation. Yes, that's either a VFR climb to a good altitude or you're on a VFR on Top clearance. Then ATC can clear you if they have no traffic conflicts. You will not get a clearance below the MVA or MEA. |
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"Newps" wrote in message news:glmhb.76878$%h1.66094@sccrnsc02... Fred E. Pate wrote: wrote: That's all good except they can't clear you to maintain 4,000' in an area where their MVA is higher. They can clear you to climb VFR to maintain their MVA, or higher. I don't believe that is correct. ATC cannot give you vectors below the MVA (the minimum vectoring altitude). Not unless you are taking off and climbing. But you can still fly IFR visually maintaining terrain separation. Yes, that's either a VFR climb to a good altitude or you're on a VFR on Top clearance. Then ATC can clear you if they have no traffic conflicts. You will not get a clearance below the MVA or MEA. Can you give me a clearance VFR-on-top below the MVA/MEA? Thanks, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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And these are FAA departure procedures? But not officially published
anywhere? Sort of makes it hard to comply with the FAR's on them then Stan On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:18:33 GMT, in rec.aviation.ifr you wrote: Should I be perusing some other sources? Where does one find departure procedures listed? They are local in nature. Sometimes they are on a sign near the runway, sometimes in the FBO. Often, there aren't any. |
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John Clonts wrote: Can you give me a clearance VFR-on-top below the MVA/MEA? We have a lot of OTP cargo flights here at night. ATC does not specify an altitude for OTP operations, sometimes the pilot will specify what altitude he will be cruising at, sometimes not. Many times he will tell me he will be cruising at say 6500, well below the MEA. I don't care as it is not my responsibility. I hand him off to the center and off he goes. From my monitoring of the center freq I gather they do not care either. |
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