Boeing Offers Additional F/A-18 Sale to U.S. Navy

Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a
hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder?

Here's the article

http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html




On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote:
actually that is incorrect-
a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will be
manintained in storage at AMARC

" wrote in message

oups.com...

Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to
prevent part sales to Iran.

On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote:
sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

scary thought-we can't trust them to make sure the parts stay here--so they
destroy them-
makes you wonder about security--


" wrote in message
ups.com...
Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a
hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder?

Here's the article

http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html




On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote:
actually that is incorrect-
a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and will
be
manintained in storage at AMARC

" wrote in message

oups.com...

Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to
prevent part sales to Iran.

On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote:
sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

WOW! My last post looked like I had brain fade.

LOL

Good point about security. I guess you can't trust your own military
either. Burt you know, if the F-14 parts being sold to Iran news did
not make to the mainstream media would they have done this?


.... My crystal ball says, "Not on your life."

On Apr 29, 11:49 am, "rstro" wrote:
scary thought-we can't trust them to make sure the parts stay here--so they
destroy them-
makes you wonder about security--

Quite strangely, U.S. Marine Corps never bought F-14, so it looks the
last *real* aircraft they operated was F-4 Phantom, or maybe A-6
Intruder... And now they strongly oppose against F-35C, fighting hard
for the all-STOVL force.

Best regards,
Jacek


On 28 Kwi, 00:17, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , rstro
writes

sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and
missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War?
QED.

Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides

Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , rstro
writes
sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and
missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean War?
QED.

The only Three things that our 15 and 16 drivers repected on the F-14 was
the extra set of eyes, the first turn during the wings sweeping forward and
the Phoenix system that costs way too much to use. The F-35 can out turn
the 14 no matter what, the Superhornet can do the Top Cap with Amrams just
fine and the days of the need for two sets of eyes is all but gone. Plus,
the 14 was taken out of service because it became too expensive per flying
hour to continue. Too bad, JAG had some nice footage of it.

But let's face it, in it's day, the 14 was the 800 lb gurrilla for Top Cap
over the Carrier Group but age bit it in the ass.


Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats.

I vote for the F3F myself.

You know considering how the Navy chose to deliberately go about
destroying anything and everything "old" that would interfere with their
plan to modernize the Navy - a politically motivated behavior seen in
the demise of the Convair B-58 Hustlers as a retribution act to match to
the destruction of all the Northrop Flying Wings. I am not so sure the
Iranians can really get or want those F-14 parts from AMARC (if it were
even possible) but it is possible that the F-14D could be refurbished
into an even stronger jet that would embarrass first the F/A-18 and then
much worse the F-35, especially given its failing components and
subsystems. The methodology is all the same - over kill the hype about
how old and broken the airframe is, selectively shut down spares and key
component supply, and make the program look like a mess. The F-14D can
still fly circles around all other Navy fighters and if it would be
given some of the reliability and maintainability upgrades evident in
the E/F as well as the AESA upgrade from the F-35 - well the old Turkey
would smile a new light on Naval Air. As long as anyone can look back
the present breed of Naval air leadership is petrified - absolutely
paranoid - of not only that it can't do the Tomcat's job with what's
left but what the F-14 could still grow beyond itself. The demise of
the Tomcat will be the date in which carrier aviation became
unbalanced - with new fast nuclear ships and a weak unsupportive air
wing - thus bringing the submarine one notch closer to replacing the
surface fleet as the critical combatant lead. "Choose Wisely" and they
did not -


" wrote in message
ups.com...
Perhaps however, where are you get the parts once the F14As - over a
hundred of them at AMARC - goes the shredder?

Here's the article

http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tai...g_all_f14.html




On Apr 28, 1:12 pm, "rstro" wrote:
actually that is incorrect-
a number( I have no idea how many) are marked as "War Reserves" and
will be
manintained in storage at AMARC

" wrote in message

oups.com...

Not for long, the F-14s at AMARC got the go to be shredded as to
prevent part sales to Iran.

On Apr 27, 4:39 pm, "rstro" wrote:
sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from the
Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom Miller
DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the Corps
into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck
responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was the
Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but the
first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a
sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came into
the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea,
yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over.


wrote in message
ups.com...
Quite strangely, U.S. Marine Corps never bought F-14, so it looks the
last *real* aircraft they operated was F-4 Phantom, or maybe A-6
Intruder... And now they strongly oppose against F-35C, fighting hard
for the all-STOVL force.

Best regards,
Jacek


On 28 Kwi, 00:17, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , rstro

writes

sure there is/.........
call ARMARC and get some real airplanes back in the Navy--F-14

Useless gold-plated junk dependent on radar (which never works) and
missiles (worse than useless). How many missile kills in the Korean
War?
QED.

Get *real* aircraft. Re-equip the USN with F6F Hellcats.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and
its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting
done
by fools.
-Thucydides

Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk

A friend of mine was a part the USMC to "look over" the F-14. His
impressions from a technician' s POV was the plane was a horrible
design for maintaining.


On May 2, 9:50 pm, "Flashnews" wrote:
there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from the
Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom Miller
DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the Corps
into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck
responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was the
Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but the
first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a
sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came into
the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea,
yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over.

Interesting theory and I have heard something similar back in 2004 or
2005. I don't know how much of this is true however.

On May 2, 9:41 pm, "Flashnews" wrote:
You know considering how the Navy chose to deliberately go about
destroying anything and everything "old" that would interfere with their
plan to modernize the Navy - a politically motivated behavior seen in
the demise of the Convair B-58 Hustlers as a retribution act to match to
the destruction of all the Northrop Flying Wings. I am not so sure the
Iranians can really get or want those F-14 parts from AMARC (if it were
even possible) but it is possible that the F-14D could be refurbished
into an even stronger jet that would embarrass first the F/A-18 and then
much worse the F-35, especially given its failing components and
subsystems. The methodology is all the same - over kill the hype about
how old and broken the airframe is, selectively shut down spares and key
component supply, and make the program look like a mess. The F-14D can
still fly circles around all other Navy fighters and if it would be
given some of the reliability and maintainability upgrades evident in
the E/F as well as the AESA upgrade from the F-35 - well the old Turkey
would smile a new light on Naval Air. As long as anyone can look back
the present breed of Naval air leadership is petrified - absolutely
paranoid - of not only that it can't do the Tomcat's job with what's
left but what the F-14 could still grow beyond itself. The demise of
the Tomcat will be the date in which carrier aviation became
unbalanced - with new fast nuclear ships and a weak unsupportive air
wing - thus bringing the submarine one notch closer to replacing the
surface fleet as the critical combatant lead. "Choose Wisely" and they
did not -

of course it was - but that didn't make it less the terror of the sky -
just cost more to fly it and that meant people too




" wrote in message
ups.com...
A friend of mine was a part the USMC to "look over" the F-14. His
impressions from a technician' s POV was the plane was a horrible
design for maintaining.


On May 2, 9:50 pm, "Flashnews" wrote:
there was one F-14 for the Marine Corps just being transferred from
the
Navy to VMFA-531 at Miramar and in days the Marine Corps (Gen Tom
Miller
DCSAir) cancelled the program for the reasons that did drive the
Corps
into the quest of their own ships and aircraft so not to share deck
responsibilities with the Navy on Navy missions. At this time it was
the
Harrier "B" Program. Not sure if the transfer actually happened but
the
first 2 squadrons were forming up to take on their Tomcats. It was a
sad day, Mike Gunther (F-14 lead instructor on to ACMI fame) came
into
the ready room and said "Any Marines in the brief" - after the "yea,
yea", a simple "You're outta here"... and it was over.