No F'in way!

Lou wrote:
I can just imagine the reaction in Manhattan to anyone trying it even
once, though. Especially a few blocks from the NYSE. Have you seen the
massive security on the streets around there? I wouldn't be surprised if
there were ground-to-air defenses of some sort hidden away as well.

(I often stay at a hotel around the corner from the exchange.)

It shows up on mapquest and google earth.
Lou

I think you misunderstood. There's no question the mockup exists on that
roof. The hypothetical reaction I was writing about was to the idea of
someone trying to land or take off with an actual aircraft (like the
Zenith CH701 someone suggested).

On Jan 14, 12:20*pm, William Hung wrote:
On Jan 14, 2:19*pm, William Hung wrote:





On Jan 12, 6:52*pm, " wrote:

On Jan 12, 3:25*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:22*am, " wrote:

On Jan 6, 7:03*pm, William Hung wrote:

On Jan 6, 10:07*am, " wrote:

On Jan 5, 6:09*pm, wrote:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yup... I agree, my Zenith 801 could pull that off....

Benwww.haaspowerair.com

Can the 801 match the performance of the 701? *While both at Max
Gross? *Curious.

Wil

Good question. All things considered I believe the 801 might be at a
slight disadvantage because it can haul a higher percentage of its net
weight. Now when you add "alot" of extra horsepower it increases the
performance drastically. Dont ask how I know. :)

Benwww.haaspowerair.com-Hidequotedtext-

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Is your 801 flying yet?

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Yuppers, it's been flyin for more then a couple of years and coming up
on 200 hours.

I LOVE my toy.. :)...

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Nevermind, I just read your site. *If HaasPower is you, you're in
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Yup.. good ol wyoming.. where its -3 as I type this...

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip said:

wrote in news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:


Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.


Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.


Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and fly one.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote in
news:200801142119128930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:


Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.


Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.


Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and
fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are doing
the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and it;s still
huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their own landing
gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is unbelievable. Make a
great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not
an Argus or some other V8


Bertie

On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote innews:200801142119128930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:





On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build and
fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are doing
the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and it;s still
huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their own landing
gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is unbelievable. Make a
great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not
an Argus or some other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. I have seen many videos of the 701
fly (incredible). I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

Wil

William Hung wrote in
:

On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote
innews:20080114211912
8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:





On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build
and fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and
it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their
own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is
unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will
have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. I have seen many videos of the 701
fly (incredible). I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm sure
you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot cheaper,
too.


Bertie

On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote :





On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote
innews:20080114211912
8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to build
and fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale and
it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to make their
own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat system is
unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too bad it will
have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the 701
fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm sure
you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot cheaper,
too.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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and a lot easier to built from what I have read. More likely for a
fella to get into the air sooner. No pun intended.

Wil

William Hung wrote in
:

On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
:





On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote
innews:20080114211912
8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
build and fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale
and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to
make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat
system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too
bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the
701

fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm
sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
cheaper, too.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and a lot easier to built from what I have read. More likely for a
fella to get into the air sooner. No pun intended.


Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
depends on how much of that you pay for.


Bertie

On Jan 15, 7:47*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote :





On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
:

On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote
innews:20080114211912
8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
build and fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys are
doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4 scale
and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They had to
make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the slat
system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's done. Too
bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder how
their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos of the
701

fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs fly,
although I've read many write ups.

I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright. I'm
sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
cheaper, too.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and a lot easier to built from what I have read. *More likely for a
fella to get into the air sooner. *No pun intended.

Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
depends on how much of that you pay for.

Bertie



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Well, the Storch is a tube and fabric and the Zenith is a stressed
aluminum skin. The Storch would be my preference, but if I had to
build it myself I'd probably go with the Zenith for ease of
construction. Many people have actually built Zenith from plans,
without buying the kit at all. I would still opt for the kit though,
if I was ready to built a plane.

Wil

Wil

William Hung wrote in
:

On Jan 15, 7:47*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
innews:2401ebf0-be1d-4ec9-94a6-b947
:





On Jan 15, 12:51*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
William Hung wrote
innews:11209751-a917-4f79-bcd4-4ec7
:

On Jan 15, 12:26*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote
innews:20080114211912
8930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-01-05 17:14:27 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

wrote in
news:4eea4f10-6477-4bd1-9c65-2ba15326c916
@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Still flies better than you ever will.

Bertie

Heh.

With a reasonable headwind a Zenith CH701 could do it.

Yeah, I think it could even do it zero wind, eh?
One of those Slepcev Storchs could definitely do it.

Bertie

A Storch is almost a helicopter. It would be a lot of fun to
build and fly one.

I know someone who is building the Pazmany version.Most guys
are doing the Slepcev version which is much simpler. It's 3/4
scale and it;s still huge! Unbelievably complicated too. They
had to make their own landing gear oleos, for instance. and the
slat system is unbelievable. Make a great airplane when it's
done. Too bad it will have a Lycoming and not an Argus or some
other V8

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Storchs do look more hefty than the Zeniths, but I wonder
how their actual performance compares. *I have seen many videos
of the 701

fly (incredible). *I haven't yet seen a video of the Storchs
fly, although I've read many write ups.

I saw one fly once a few years ago. It got up and went alright.
I'm sure you could run next to it in even a mild breeze.
I'd go for a Storch just cause of what it is, but if I wanted a
workhorse, i'd probably go for the Zenith. I think it's a lot
cheaper, too.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and a lot easier to built from what I have read. *More likely for a
fella to get into the air sooner. *No pun intended.

Well, I think the Slepcev one comes fairly well prefab. I suppose it
depends on how much of that you pay for.

Bertie



- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, the Storch is a tube and fabric and the Zenith is a stressed
aluminum skin. The Storch would be my preference, but if I had to
build it myself I'd probably go with the Zenith for ease of
construction. Many people have actually built Zenith from plans,
without buying the kit at all. I would still opt for the kit though,
if I was ready to built a plane.


Still it;s kind of interesting how similar they are in so many ways. you
gotta love a machine that does something well no matter what it might
look like. They always look purposeful.


Bertie