Air Force One

Problem there. He deserves no more special treatment than you or I.

I don't know where you're going with this. As far as the plane with
the US president goes, I don't have a problem with him getting special
treatment, due to security considerations.

Where I'm "going with this" is he's not feeling the effects of his own
syndicate's takeover of civil liberties. It is not acceptible to ground
civilian traffic in order for him to come into a town in order to garnish
support.

"RLB" wrote in message ...
I don't know about that. If I remember correctly from the National
Geographic presentation, half the reason they retired their 707 was because
it couldn't carry all the people they wanted to carry comfortably. Not to
mention, I doubt you could turn a 20 passenger jet into the mobile White
House like the current jet. They also have two of them that don't fly much
and will probably be around for many many years to come. I'm willing to bet
the next Airforce One will be an aircraft that's not even on the drawling
board yet.


It will probably be 50+ years before replacements are in order.
Could be longer than that. By then, it will depend entirely upon
what existing airframes are available. It is possible that it
could be an airframe designed for that purpose. More likely
it could be an airframe intended to replace the C-5/C-17 class
of aircraft.

"Montblack" wrote in message
.. .
Wrong (IMHO).

The next AF1 will be small and VERY fast. 20 people, tops!

This isn't all that far afield, depending upon the direction
that the aircraft industry in general goes.


New sonic boom resistant designs, etc.

Mach 2+ a minimum to enter the bidding.
[snip]

Might be a tad fast, but Mach 1+ might be
a consideration.

"Doug" wrote in message
...

Dwight Eisenhower was a pilot and flew a Rockwell Commander while he was
president.


Rode or piloted?



I am not sure if it was actually considered Air Force One. This
was, of course in the 1950's.


The use of the call sign Air Force One began during the Eisenhower
administration.

"John Harlow" wrote in message ...
Problem there. He deserves no more special treatment than you or I.

I don't know where you're going with this. As far as the plane with
the US president goes, I don't have a problem with him getting special
treatment, due to security considerations.

Where I'm "going with this" is he's not feeling the effects of his own
syndicate's takeover of civil liberties. It is not acceptible to ground
civilian traffic in order for him to come into a town in order to garnish
support.

Neither the President nor members of Congress ever really feal the effects
of their own actions. They might act more in the interest of the nation rather
than themselves if they did.

"TMOliver" wrote ...
Of course, just as an S3 Viking became Navy1 for a while and
USMC helos are frequently Marine1, any old Coast Guard C130
could be Coast Guard1 in a pinch.

I think the correct term for the Coastie's aircraft in that case would be
"Puddle 1"...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message rthlink.net...

Maybe. When the President is aboard a military aircraft, the name of the
military service is stated, followed by the word "One." But is the USCG
truly a military service? While it has the look and feel of the military,
it isn't part of the Department of Defense.

Correct, up to a point: The USCG is part of the Dept. of Homeland
Security, formerly part of the Dept. of Transportation. However it is
a military (i.e. armed forces) service. Coast Guardsmen fought on
D-Day and in Vietnam, many lost their lives.

Good official history:
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/faqs/when.html

Best,

Tim K

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message rthlink.net...
Maybe. When the President is aboard a military aircraft, the name of the
military service is stated, followed by the word "One." But is the USCG
truly a military service? While it has the look and feel of the military,
it isn't part of the Department of Defense.

During time of declared war (this isn't, despite 'war' designations),
the Coast Guard becomes part of the DoD, specifically the US Navy,
unless this has changed since the CG moved over to the DoHS from DoT
recently...

That's what I recall, anyway. I don't have proof of this, I could be
wrong.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
thlink.net...

If a T-41 was used to transport the President it would still be Air Force
One and given priority handling.

If it were an Air Force aircraft, at least.

Bob M.

"TMOliver" wrote in message
.. .
I can see it now....next AF1 built by a reincarnation of the
preWWII Polish PZL (with electrical system by Lucas...)

Naw....Zeppelin is starting to make airships again....:-)

Bob M.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
thlink.net...
Maybe. When the President is aboard a military aircraft, the name of the
military service is stated, followed by the word "One." But is the USCG
truly a military service? While it has the look and feel of the military,
it isn't part of the Department of Defense.

It's part of the Dept. of Transportation. So it'd be called "Transport One"?